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Post by jss64 on Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:59 pm

Got this card from SSE the other day.
The NAME on the address was my landlord (the bill payer) who lives elsewhere.
Checked the smart meter regs, noticed 2 things.
They mentioned the 1986 Gas Act and the 1989 Electricity Act.
I also noticed the words "Where an installation appointment has been agreed with the Customer".
Shall I ignore?
Should I be proactive and write back?
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Post by daveiron on Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:06 pm

Hi jss,

Check this group out ,powerful stuff .You will need to refer to UK law rather than US.



https://inpowermovement.com/

I had a similar letter from Scottish Power ,I just replied that under no circumstancies would they be fitting one at my address
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Post by assassin on Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:16 pm

There is no obligation to have a smart meter fitted and this is the scam they try to get you to consent, if you ignore it they will send someone round to fit one so tell them to do one.

There have been numerous problems with these meters to the point where they are so dangerous that properties have exploded, and others have burned down.

They can mention as many acts and statutes as they like, but unless YOU consent they can do nothing. These documents are carefully worded to give you the impresion that you have to have one fitted and they even book an appointment for you, they tried it with me and I simply told them if they try and access my land I would let the dogs out, and they would have them.
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Post by jss64 on Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:22 pm

Thanks
Seen the first 2 inpower videos. great stuff
Daveiron, what was the jist of the letter you sent to Scottish Power? I'd like to send one.

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Post by Kestrel on Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:19 pm

Take a look here:
http://stopsmartmeters.org.uk/

Notice of Non-Consent for ‘Smart’ Meter Installation, Notice of Liability
(This is a template letter you can use to infom them you will not have one fitted)
http://stopsmartmeters.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Notice-of-Non-Consent-Liability.pdf

There's enough information on that letter to make sure one 'WON'T' be fitted!

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Post by Tiggy on Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:32 pm

It's not addressed to you, so I would simply file it !

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Post by jss64 on Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:35 pm

Thanks Kestrel
Excellent

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Re: smart meter

Post by daveiron on Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:08 pm

Hi jss,

This is what I sent.

NOTICE-IN-WRITING

Ref; account no xxxxxxxxxx

Date xx xx xxxx

Dear xxxxx xxxxxxxx

I am today in receipt of your offer to install a smart meter at the above address.

I hereby rebut and reject any and all offers from your corporation regarding Smart
Meters.

For the avoidance of any doubt ,no Smart Meter will be installed at this address.
I therefore hope this makes my position clear.
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Post by jss64 on Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:09 pm

Thanks Dave

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Post by LionsShare on Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:06 am

Back in Oct' I told supplier NO in no uncertain terms - meter is not wanted - so far no attempt has been made to put in!
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Post by Ausk on Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:38 am

@daveiron wrote:Hi jss,

This is what I sent.

                                            NOTICE-IN-WRITING

Ref; account no xxxxxxxxxx

Date xx xx xxxx

Dear xxxxx xxxxxxxx

I am today in receipt of your offer to install a smart meter at the above address.

I hereby rebut and reject any and all offers from your corporation regarding Smart
Meters.

For the avoidance of any doubt ,no Smart Meter will be installed at this address.
I therefore hope this makes my position clear.

I hereby rebut and reject any and all offers from your corporation regarding Smart
Meters.


Sorry; I gotta be missing something here but how exactly did you rebutt it? Just trying to learn.


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Post by daveiron on Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:05 am

Hi ausk,

I rebutted their presumption that I wanted a smart meter or that all households were to be fitted with one.
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Post by 1saberwow on Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:18 pm

Does anywhere in the Smart Meter Guide does or is there anything about old wiring and frayed wire?
So you need to have the wiring checked if you are going to fit a smart meter and if not you tell them that there is no vonsent to ever have one fitted.
The wiring is important and it has to be proven to be safe.

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Post by LionsShare on Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:17 pm

@1saberwow wrote:Does anywhere in the Smart Meter Guide does or is there anything about old wiring and frayed wire?
So you need to have the wiring checked if you are going to fit a smart meter and if not you tell them that there is no vonsent to ever have one fitted.
The wiring is important and it has to be proven to be safe.
From my experience obviously the choice is YOURS.

1. The wiring between the top of the fuse to the consumer unit BELONGS to the SUPPLIER & MUST be repaired by them. As it is their property it MUST be repaired FREE!.

2. ANY wiring from consumer to ALL sub circuits is YOURS & "belongs" with the house, that is your responsibility.

If it looks dangerous get it looked at by a PROFFESSIONAL Electrician NOT a quasi sudo expert or someone that "thinks" they know!

Some installations have a double pole isolator with sealed off terminations at the bottom. Basically where there is a seal on the outside of the equipment that is the responsibility of the supplier the rest is yours. Hope that makes things clearer.

If you need the consumer unit made "dead" the ask the supplier to fit a double pole isolator for you FREE - with the correct rating for the house load. Usually 80 or 100 Amp.

Getting a test cirtificate, once you have that, the next repeat test is usually every 5 YEARS not every 12 months as with gas.

please read NICEIC web site:

https://www.niceiconline.com/
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Post by assassin on Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:29 pm

Always 100 amp minimum.
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Post by Tom Bombadil on Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:53 pm

They are not too worried just yet. It will be a slow drip drip until its done in new homes and old by hook or by crook.
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Post by assassin on Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:55 am

Then you buy your new home and have it ripped out and replaced with traditional meters, or you buy your own and have them installed yourself.

Construction company has complied with the legislation by building new homes with a smart meter, they sell it to you with a smart meter, and you have it ripped out and nothing can be done about it.
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Post by jss64 on Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:21 pm

Sent a notice of liability non consent to SSE.
Received this from them on Saturday.
Unsigned of course.
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Post by Kestrel on Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:00 am

@jss64 wrote:Sent a notice of liability non consent to SSE.
Received this from them on Saturday.
Unsigned of course.

This is your property & you decide what you wish to have installed, you have already sent them notice that is enough, regarding SMART meters been the only ones available in the future i would take as waffle, buy your own analogue meter if it comes to it.

I'm sure you understand that most of the pen pushers in such organisations have very little clue about anything.

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Post by pieintheskywhenIdie on Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:02 pm

Confused .. first post suggested he wasn't the property owner or SSE's customer and this was all being done by his landlord.
@jss64 wrote:Got this card from SSE the other day.
The NAME on the address was my landlord (the bill payer) who lives elsewhere.
However SSE seem to have accepted his choice. If you are in fact the customer, why not switch supply to someone who doesn't use smart meters. SSE rates are crap anyway.

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Post by Tvarred on Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:08 pm

About 5 years ago British Gas informed me that my meter was very old and would need replacing. Strange that was as the property was only built 9 months earlier which I told them and refused point blank to accept their overcharging, intrusive, cancer causing device.


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Post by Ausk on Fri Mar 02, 2018 7:01 am

@jss64 wrote:Got this card from SSE the other day.
The NAME on the address was my landlord (the bill payer) who lives elsewhere.
Checked the smart meter regs, noticed 2 things.
They mentioned the 1986 Gas Act and the 1989 Electricity Act.
I also noticed the words "Where an installation appointment has been agreed with the Customer".
Shall I ignore?
Should I be proactive and write back?


You may find the decision will be up to the owner of the property and not yourself as a tennant.

More generally, if you don't write back to things like this you may be considered to ave agreed to it be acquiescence.

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Post by daveiron on Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:42 am

Hi ausk,

Being the owner does not matter . The notice of liability relates to the possible danger / harm .(there is a lot of documentation from around the world showing the dangers that these meters pose).
Should the owner insist then a notice of liability should be sent to him also.
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