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Post by Kestrel on Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:39 pm

Motorists could face £100 fine for driving too close to cyclists

Yet another money making scam from the whorehouse/business centre in London - Jack Sh*t to do with cyclists safety just like recent battery acid scam excuse given for it.

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/lifestyle/cars/car-news/motorists-100-fine-driving-close-cyclists-cycle-space-law/

What if you're a centimetre out - pure boll*cks!

The West Midlands force was the first in the country to proactively target ‘close pass’ drivers, launching #OpClosePass last year which sees plain clothes officers take to the roads to lookout for motorists who pass cyclists too closely. Almost 200 offenders have been pulled over under the operation, with most being allowed on their way following on-the-spot education input on safe overtaking, but repeat offenders can expect to be prosecuted and taken to court.

Yes whilst crime goes unattended lets play teacher to us children.


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Post by Ausk on Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:55 am

Anything for an income stream.

They are always on the look out for any opportunity to identify and exploit a new revenue stream for their business. (whatever the legal structure may be, its run just like a business as far as the CEO's go, because that how they are incentivised.")

It highly likely they get a % of the council annual turnover and that's why its a business. Regardless of the meanings of the words used to describe its technical official structure.

Councils are well placed to identify and maximise potential to add income streams at the local grassroots level.

It goes on in Aus as well.

It was in the news in Aus the other day apparently, that China is rejecting waste that is dirty, ie waste which has not been cleaned before shipping to China. It seems if the Chinese consider that it has not washed adequately, then they just dump it into the sea.

So what do local councils do? rub their hands together with glee and rush in by-laws that enable them to fine householders who do not adequate clean their rubbish before putting it into the waste bin.

Of course, 'dirty' can mean anything to anyone so another income stream is established.

Funny how the councils did not say "well stuff China; we'll find another contractor to do the work?

No, no they only ask themselves the question "how can we profit from this?" I know, I know, lets start fining householders for dirty waste and we can generate ........ ?? $ks per year from this.




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Post by Mrblue on Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:19 pm

Don’t worry about it. It will be nigh on impossible to prove you didn’t give exactly the space required. If you’re ever prosecuted, you’d simply put the burden of proof on the police (as they’ll be acting as the claimant on behalf of the cyclist).

That aside, it should be safe to cycle of course.
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Post by handle on Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:08 am

.....but driving close to pedestrians is fine then?

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Post by pieintheskywhenIdie on Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:51 pm

The idea is a nonsense, for a start how can it be measured with any degree of confidence, and any way what's too close in some circumstances may be perfectly fine in others.   The idea seems to have arisen from an actual law passed in some parts of Australia, then brought over here in he form of a petition, which at the time was knocked back by the government of the day. Why's it resurfaced this summer? Maybe as some fluff to distract from the EU stuff.

https://petition.parliament.uk/archived/petitions/128190

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Post by Tvarred on Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:02 pm

Shouldn't cyclists then stay 1.5 metres away from cars when undertaking?

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Post by Ausk on Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:32 am

They love these kinds of fines because they reply on arbitrary on the spot decisions by those who issue the fines. There are few grounds for appeal or to obtain countervailing evidence that refutes the claims of the cop or whoever.

Expect more and more of arbitrary type of fines because they are easy to prove, difficult to disprove and happen all the time.

A bit like being too close to the car in front, When the traffic is slowing down all the time or going nose to tail a guesstimate distance behind another in a big long que, its just a case of pick out a vehicle and book the driver.

Technically; every second vehicle is tailgating and therefore is guilty.

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Post by pitano1 on Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:00 am

About Penalty Charge Notices (PCNs)
Penalty Charge Notices and Parking Charge Notices are not Fines!

Only a properly convened law court can issue Fines, and then only after due process has been served.

Councils and companies like Parking Eye do not issue Fines, they issue Charge Notices.
We need to stop calling these Charge Notices 'Fines', we need to be careful of the language we are using to ourselves!

For every Notice of levy or charge you receive, you have the RIGHT to require an invoice, this was enshrined in the Bills of Exchange Act in 1882Opens in a new window which has been the bedrock of business-to-business transactions ever since it was enacted.
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Post by Ausk on Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:46 am

@pitano1 wrote:About Penalty Charge Notices (PCNs)
Penalty Charge Notices and Parking Charge Notices are not Fines!

Only a properly convened law court can issue Fines, and then only after due process has been served.

Councils and companies like Parking Eye do not issue Fines, they issue Charge Notices.
We need to stop calling these Charge Notices 'Fines', we need to be careful of the language we are using to ourselves!

For every Notice of levy or charge you receive, you have the RIGHT to require an invoice, this was enshrined in the Bills of Exchange Act in 1882Opens in a new window which has been the bedrock of business-to-business transactions ever since it was enacted.

Thanks for making the point and yes you are right.

Fines can only be levied by governments not private companies.
parking companies can only claim for liquidated damages which is a loss incurred.
they can only claim for reasonable costs incurred.
Only a court established and operated according to the laws that establish courts can fine someone guilty and THEN they can be fined.
While they are working very hard and they are very resolute in their desire to reverse the burden of proof, and eliminate of the right to silence and the right not to self incriminate, it is the law until one had been to a court of law and found guilty, one is guilty of nothing. Anything they write on paper is nothing more than a claim, prima facie evidence.

How many of us realise that participating in roadside DD testing is throwing our right not to self incriminate and the right to remain silent into the dust bin?

" all fines and forfeitures before conviction are illegal and void" bill of rights 1688 and the Imperial Acts Application Act."








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