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Post by Sharpysparky on Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:08 am

Hi everyone,
need to send an SAR to water company and need help in either wording it correctly or there being a template letter somewhere on here that I cannot find, I want to get this right so there is no get out for them, obviously a non commercial agreement but they chose to ignore that fact when I pointed it out to them with the joint giro credit slip (that they returned!!!)

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Post by daveiron on Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:36 am

Just a few suggestions.

This is a Subject Data Access  request under the Freedom of Information Act 2000.

Please supply any and all data you hold on  (your name) .I require all data to be supplied in
a format accessible without specialised equipment. Also to be included are any and all contracts
or agreements which you believe exist between (your name) and (their name).

See what other suggestion you get & build around them.
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Post by Sharpysparky on Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:09 pm

thanks DI, will see if theres any more suggestions as you say but what you have put seems pretty easy for them to understand lol

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Post by Mrblue on Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:13 pm

I would go with what DI has advised - nice and simple / no room for wriggle room Smile
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Post by Sharpysparky on Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:15 pm

lol Mrblue, yea did think that quite simple for these scammers to get what im asking for! will keep you up to date IF they ever get back to me!

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Post by Mrblue on Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:42 pm

DSAR results can take months... (yes, even though you’re supposed to get your data within one month)
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Post by daveiron on Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:01 pm

If you do not receive all within a month ,contact the ICO immediately ,I have found that gets results.
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Post by Sharpysparky on Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:05 pm

cool DII will do that, it will be interesting to see what they send back as I have never done this before, it might also make them think what Im playing at
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Post by LionsShare on Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:06 pm

state you are looking for data that pertains to the name of ? regarding an alledged outstanding debt.

as i stated in the other thread ask for stuff like:

@LionsShare wrote:try to send back the 1 they sent you but its over 72 hours for supposed contract law.

YES YES do SAR for the alledged debt, ask for dates, reason(s) - description of the amounts are for, account balance at every stage, balance amount (different to previous account balance) (this should be 0. was for me), payments made/received on account with sort codes + account numbers (if they supply this tell me & will give further help - important), & anything else you can think of.

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Post by Sharpysparky on Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:39 pm

how does this look to you all??
Essex And Suffolk Water
PO Box 292,
Durham DH1 9TX.

My Ref: xxxxxxxxxx

Dear sir/madam,

This is a Data Subject Access Request under the freedom of information ACT 2000

Please supply any and all data you pertain to the name of xxxxx regarding an alleged outstanding debt for dates xxxx & xxxx and the reasons you believe these debts exist under a non commercial agreement, also I require the description the amounts are for, I also require account balance at every stage and balance amount, also required are payments made/received on account with sort codes + account numbers I require all data to be supplied in a format accessible without specialised equipment. Also to be included are any and all contracts or agreements which you believe exist between xxxxx and Essex And Suffolk Water.



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Post by Sharpysparky on Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:41 pm

@LionsShare wrote:state you are looking for data that pertains to the name of ? regarding an alledged outstanding debt.

as i stated in the other thread ask for stuff like:

@LionsShare wrote:try to send back the 1 they sent you but its over 72 hours for supposed contract law.

YES YES do SAR for the alledged debt, ask for dates, reason(s) - description of the amounts are for, account balance at every stage, balance amount (different to previous account balance) (this should be 0. was for me), payments made/received on account with sort codes + account numbers (if they supply this tell me & will give further help - important), & anything else you can think of.

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thanks LS have taken on board what you said and posted on here to make sure it sound ok
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Post by daveiron on Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:44 pm

I would add after xxxxx .including but not limited to.
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Post by LionsShare on Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:50 pm

ask for something contradictory:

please show data pertaining to the name ? you have a Commercial Agreement.

please show data pertaining to the name ? you have a non-Commercial Agreement.

this way they will have to answer 1 way or the other, if they state non-comm' that's it you have them. You can pay by endorse
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Post by Sharpysparky on Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:55 pm

very clever LS I love your style and am quite enjoying the games we can play Very Happy
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Post by Sharpysparky on Tue Jun 11, 2019 4:08 pm

looks so official to me lol you guys are amazing at what you know, I thank you sincerely

Essex And Suffolk Water
PO Box 292,
Durham DH1 9TX.

My Ref: xxxx

Dear sir/madam,

This is a Data Subject Access Request under the freedom of information ACT 2000

Please supply any and all data you pertain to the name of xxxxx including but not limited to regarding an alleged outstanding debt for dates 11/06/2018 & 04/06/2019 and the reasons you believe these debts exist under a commercial agreement,

Please supply any and all data you pertain to the name of xxxxx including but not limited to regarding an alleged outstanding debt for dates 11/06/2018 & 04/06/2019 and the reasons you believe these debts exist under a non commercial agreement.

also I require the description the amounts are for, I also require account balance at every stage and balance amount, also required are payments made/received on account with sort codes + account numbers I require all data to be supplied in a format accessible without specialised equipment. Also to be included are any and all contracts or agreements which you believe exist between xxxxx and Essex And Suffolk Water.



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Post by daveiron on Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:05 pm

One final thing. I would number those paragraphs 1.2.3. as there is only one word difference between 1&2 & if not read properly by them it may not be apparent.
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Post by Sharpysparky on Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:23 pm

Thanks DI, I have already sent it now, but if they are so clever and they want to trick us with the words they use then its up to them to read what is written correctly imo, making it too easy for them is not the game I will play lol.
point taken though fella for your well educated input it is very much appreciated

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Post by LionsShare on Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:41 pm

@Sharpysparky wrote:This is a Data Subject Access Request under the freedom of information ACT
does this not come under GDPR2018?

Freedom Of Information comes FOI Act 2000?
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Post by daveiron on Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:09 pm

I stand corrected, Its the Data Protection Act 2018. However in the event of non compliance
it is still the ICO who handles complaints.
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Post by Sharpysparky on Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:13 pm

So have I got a chance in them supplying me with anything or will they just laugh lol, so it should have read data protection act 2000 not foi act 2000? 

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Post by LionsShare on Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:29 pm

you should get somat back but it will depend on what they send. I got somat intellgable but not complete. Knowing that now is why I stated about asking for all you need to put in your Subject Access Request

I have done all that now & still waiting for the latest to appear.
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Post by Mrblue on Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:10 pm

I’ve found my requests to painful and lengthy most likely due to the usual case of it being idiots in an office haha
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Post by Sharpysparky on Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:13 am

Lol Mr blue, ok guys heres hoping then
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Post by daveiron on Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:18 am

Tbh, It should not make a difference as you put" This is a subject access request"
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Post by Sharpysparky on Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:57 am

Lets hope so DI  Very Happy
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