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what happened to the "pay by endorcment" thing???

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what happened to the "pay by endorcment" thing???

Post by Worldpower on Fri May 26, 2017 1:34 pm

youtube.com/watch?v=_QnQerNu_v8

this was talked about 2 years ago.

Does it still work or did they shut down that too?

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Re: what happened to the "pay by endorcment" thing???

Post by man on Fri May 26, 2017 2:27 pm

The below video seems to be the last word about it.


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Re: what happened to the "pay by endorcment" thing???

Post by landlubber on Mon May 29, 2017 1:38 pm

With the greatest of respect to both Paul and Mark, and I mean it too, this way to settle debts to the utility companies doesn't work. Yes, it is a cheque and it is credit, but the companies sending them out want to be paid several times and not just the once. Now, if I'm wrong, then I'll throw out a challenge. Tell me of anyone who has successfully settle a utility bill by this means and are continuing to do so and not just having the utility company hold off while they think of a way round their little scam.
Even Paul and Kevin must have bills pilling up while they wait for the companies to take them to the county court? I have done this myself and religiously followed their way of attempting to settle, but with no joy whatsoever. All who have known me over the years know that I tried very hard to settle one way or another, but without any luck. I even photocopied each and every slip returned to these companies, so I have proof that I have attempted to settle...there is only one way out of this bloody mess, and you need to look elsewhere to see what I'm talking about. If I've upset anyone here with this message, believe me when I say this, I've taken all of these means of getting out of debt in good faith, but enough is enough...

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Re: what happened to the "pay by endorcment" thing???

Post by LionsShare on Mon May 29, 2017 3:36 pm

Hi Landlubber, from my perspective have followed what both Kevin & Paul did from their experience. To date for me have heard nothing in about 4 months but this for me may be early days. Have paid gas & leccy by endorsement back in Feb, sent evidence of the slip being a commercial instrument – simply heard NOTHING! Don’t know if this is the calm before the storm or something else have not contemplated.

I don’t know your situation but to me it stands to reason these companies want paying over & over so they will not give up until… However in the video referred above, as you say the bills keep coming but the presenters have stated they ignore as the companies ignore them, so the next question “what is to be done?”

All the best.

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Re: what happened to the "pay by endorcment" thing???

Post by man on Mon May 29, 2017 4:23 pm

If you send a S.A.R for all data, there maybe some internal data/text about you that could give a hint as to what might be going on.

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Re: what happened to the "pay by endorcment" thing???

Post by landlubber on Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:57 pm

@LionsShare wrote:Hi Landlubber, from my perspective have followed what both Kevin & Paul did from their experience. To date for me have heard nothing in about 4 months but this for me may be early days. Have paid gas & leccy by endorsement back in Feb, sent evidence of the slip being a commercial instrument – simply heard NOTHING! Don’t know if this is the calm before the storm or something else have not contemplated.

I don’t know your situation but to me it stands to reason these companies want paying over & over so they will not give up until… However in the video referred above, as you say the bills keep coming but the presenters have stated they ignore as the companies ignore them, so the next question “what is to be done?”

All the best.

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Interesting, lionsshare...I've been paying my leccy by endorsement since last year...but now things look to be coming to a head. I now intend to force their hand to accept that the so-called bill has been settled.

Just out of interest, precisely what evidence did you supply to show that the slip is a commercial instrument?

Further, these utility companies state that they send us bills, yet it is clear to me and no doubt many of the local idiots too, that they are not sending bills, but rather cheques for settlement. It is my opinion that they cannot call nor title their statements BILL without committing fraud. As I see it, we ordinary folks are non commercial customers, whereas only commercial customers can be charged for their commercial use of these utilities. Now, if anyone thinks otherwise, then speak up and let us know why you think otherwise just to put matters straight.

Cheers LionsShare

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Re: what happened to the "pay by endorcment" thing???

Post by LionsShare on Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:22 pm

@landlubber wrote:Just out of interest, precisely what evidence did you supply to show that the slip is a commercial instrument?

Further, these utility companies state that they send us bills, yet it is clear to me and no doubt many of the local idiots too, that they are not sending bills, but rather cheques for settlement. It is my opinion that they cannot call nor title their statements BILL without committing fraud. As I see it, we ordinary folks are non commercial customers, whereas only commercial customers can be charged for their commercial use of these utilities. Now, if anyone thinks otherwise, then speak up and let us know why you think otherwise just to put matters straight.

Cheers LionsShare
Hi LL,

sent this:

https://www.chequeandcredit.co.uk/banking-industry/other-clearings/credit-clearing-and-bank-giro-credits

"Bank giro credits can also be found in the back of chequebooks and are used by customers to pay cash or cheques into their own bank accounts. In addition, they are used by banks to collect donations for charity appeals such as Children in Need. A joint giro credit is one that has been issued by a biller and it can be used to pay a bill either at a bank, in which case it will be cleared through the inter-bank credit clearing, or at a branch of the Post Office.  The joint giro credit is addressed to Santander (UK) plc and has the words ‘TRANSCASH’ printed on it, as well as the words ‘bank giro credit’ and the money mark logo."

Admitadley it is rather flimsey but never the less if you read the whole of the linked page it is more about what you do not see. They don't tell you specifically it is a Commercial Instrument & does not have to be accompanied with cash/cheque but go out of thier way to say the opposite about a normal Bank Giro Slip.

All I did was print off that page & underline "it can be used to pay a bill". So far NOTHING as of 14/06/2017. hope this helps? As I said last it may be the calm before the storm for me though. Please keep in touch & tell me how you get on.

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Re: what happened to the "pay by endorcment" thing???

Post by LionsShare on Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:29 pm

@honeyaisle wrote:The street address is a commercial address. Use one to receive a service ie water gas electric phone sky internet etc and it shows up on the system that it is open for business. Doesn't matter whether the service is used or not the address is open for business.

Ever bought something on the internet with a card well the page always asks for Billing Address as a separate thing to a delivery address. The clue is in the name.

By simply sending the 2 different types of giro credit that for me distinguishes between commercial & non commercial. Others have had the 2 different types sent as they are further down the road than me. However watch those yt vids "pay by endorsement", that for me says most!
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Re: what happened to the "pay by endorcment" thing???

Post by LionsShare on Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:28 pm

Hi LL,

OK this applies to Danish system but it may be of some help!

http://www.sydbank.com/inc/pdf/omsydbank/BTL/v1/Kreditorregler%20for%20det%20faelles%20indbetalingssystem%20version%20v1%20-%20uk.pdf

"The Joint Giro System allows the creditor to collect debts from his debtors by
means of a giro form prepared by the creditor. The giro form is sent to the
debtor either as a paper giro form or as an electronic giro form.                              
The term ”financial institution” will be
applied to the financial institutions and
their branches (including post offices) which have concluded an agreement to
accept giro forms."
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Re: what happened to the "pay by endorcment" thing???

Post by landlubber on Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:57 pm

Wow!!! Thanks LionsShare. Now this is something that I can work with and the first time that I've been aware of it. It strikes me that even the Danes are not going to use a system that's not more or less universal. Well, I hope that I'm right. Much appreciated. Very Happy

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Re: what happened to the "pay by endorcment" thing???

Post by LoveActually on Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:05 pm

Hi LL and LS

Have either of you heard anything more since trying this method Paying By Endorsement ?
Any updates from 'The Crooks ' Sending out these 'fake Bills '?..

I am going to use this method myself for paying Utility Bills . Has anyone tried to do it for Water
bills too ?

Thanks in Advance

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Re: what happened to the "pay by endorcment" thing???

Post by LionsShare on Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:37 pm

Hi  LoveActually,

have had DCA contact me several times but told them will have No contact unless they can prove ? DCA have stated they have no deed of assignment/novation so told them to do 1. Refuse to have contact & send all back to OC. Lets see what happens!
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Re: what happened to the "pay by endorcment" thing???

Post by ceylon on Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:25 am

water is easy just return EVERYTHING they send you addressee not recognised
then you will get letters to the occupier RTS
thats it water done
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Re: what happened to the "pay by endorcment" thing???

Post by LionsShare on Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:30 pm

@ceylon wrote:water is easy just return EVERYTHING they send you addressee not recognised
then you will get letters to the occupier RTS
thats it water done
Where I live the bloke who goes around from the water Co checking who lives at ? in case of rts letters/no response  actually knows me so would never get away with it! As I found out last year!
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Re: what happened to the "pay by endorcment" thing???

Post by iamani on Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:33 pm

Hi LionsShare

Really? He was prepared to sign an affadvit to say that LionsShare the 'man' is actually 'Mr. LionsShare' the 'person'? That's what he would have to do, then it could get shot down in court as an utterance.

It's the same as police needing joinder - the admission of 'person'-hood has to come from your lips or hand. What did he say to you? Maybe he went beyond his remit.

Cheers!

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Re: what happened to the "pay by endorcment" thing???

Post by LionsShare on Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:08 pm

@iamani wrote:Hi LionsShare

Really? He was prepared to sign an affadvit to say that LionsShare the 'man' is actually 'Mr. LionsShare' the 'person'? That's what he would have to do, then it could get shot down in court as an utterance.

It's the same as police needing joinder  -  the admission of 'person'-hood has to come from your lips or hand. What did he say to you? Maybe he went beyond his remit.

Cheers!
Having a  good chuckle as I read! Have known each other for years, but see what you mean!
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Re: what happened to the "pay by endorcment" thing???

Post by LionsShare on Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:44 pm

Could someone answer this please?

When sending off endorsed credit slip, signed etc., if not returned then it is paid/discharged, if not sent back to me to send a notarial protest but a reply from the companies stating money is still owed is the account then in dispute?
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Re: what happened to the "pay by endorcment" thing???

Post by Tom Bombadil on Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:08 pm

@LionsShare wrote:
@ceylon wrote:water is easy just return EVERYTHING they send you addressee not recognised
then you will get letters to the occupier RTS
thats it water done
Where I live the bloke who goes around from the water Co checking who lives at ? in case of rts letters/no response  actually knows me so would never get away with it! As I found out last year!

There is a fault in thinking that that bloke can put your name on a document.

Are you suggesting that he will 'inform' on you?  If so, then how?

Edited....oops, just read the other posts! I love you

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