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Re: A History of Rates

Post by iamani on Wed Jul 05, 2017 12:32 pm

Hi assassin

The OED might be cited as source for definitions, but as you point out people flounder in court by depending on it. This suggests fibbing on the part of those ptb who cite OED as source.

Have i got the wrong end of the stick? ie have i misread your post?

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Re: A History of Rates

Post by assassin on Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:25 am

iamani wrote:Hi assassin

The OED might be cited as source for definitions, but as you point out people flounder in court by depending on it. This suggests fibbing on the part of those ptb who cite OED as source.

Have i got the wrong end of the stick? ie have i misread your post?

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Yes and no, what I have stated is that the OED is a source of many legal definitions and that law dictionaries are a source of interpretations of specific legislation in a specific context at a specific time and the only way it can me properly interpreted is:

If an exact case comes up with the same parameters where legislation hasn't changed, or

A judge gives his definition as to the meaning of a word in a specific context.

The sole purpose of law is to create a self perpetuating system which puts everything their way so they caan define or redefine a word as they see fit.

By beginning with the OED you can find the origins of a word and its multiple meanings at that time and you can work forwards and see the differing variants of a word as it evolves and how its meaning changes, you can then cross reference the differing meanings with law dictionaries of the time to give yourself a fighting chance.
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Re: A History of Rates

Post by iamani on Thu Jul 06, 2017 6:45 pm

Hi all

assassin - thanks for clarifying.

honeyaisle - i think it fairly obvious that ambiguity is indeed woven into ALL legislation, through deceptive use of language and that the scrivener's art is best defined as spell-craft. Our 'English' language has been deliberately tailored to lend itself easily to such deception. It is, quite simply, both a magical language and a language of magic. There are so many ways to study it, so many disciplines of it, it's perfect for what T.H.E.Y. use it for - fraudulent control.

i can't answer the questions you have posed, interesting as they are. The roman numerals possibly part of the Glossa. The oddly placed capitals - no idea, but it does seem important. The difference between 'what is a dwelling' and 'what a dwelling is' again seems blatant and deliberate ambiguity, but it also seems a bit more than that....

Anyone up for taking this back to the beginning and trying to decode it using the clues FM left? Seems he did it that way for a reason, it may yet benefit us to play along....? (and if it was good enough for Socrates' students, well....)

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Re: A History of Rates

Post by assassin on Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:52 am

You're welcome iamani

Actually its both, because you can interpret words in many ways you can present in many ways depending on YOUR specific interpretation and this is where you are caught out, you give your interpretation and a court can change the meaning from your interpretation to any other interpretation they like by amending a context and syntax slightly.
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Re: A History of Rates

Post by iamani on Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:31 pm

Hi honeyaisle

i would like to attempt to answer the questions you have raised (if only with opinion) and help if I can - but it's very time consuming so before i do that i'd like to know where to start and, to be blunt, if it's worth my time. May i ask a few questions to that end? (i'm assuming yes btw)

1) Are you researching this subject because CT is causing you hardship, or is it an objection based on seeing the bigger picture?

2) What is your current level of knowledge?ie: are you aware of -
a) the NAME game?
b) the difference between a 'man' and a'person'?
c) how titles (Mr, Mrs etc) affect how you are perceived in law?
d) what'status' is and how and when it should be established?
e) the ramifications of a birth certificate?
f) how basic contracts and trusts work? Commerce?
g) the general need to accept responsibility for your own life?

If you can find the time to to answer those questions i
can find the time to attempt to answer yours.

You might notice that I have made an 'offer to contract' here, complete with consideration and terms, and you have free will to accept, decline or redefine (counter-offer).

Deal?

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Re: A History of Rates

Post by daveiron on Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:44 pm

I think that FOI request is very telling .It is in fact telling you that basically the only definition of any word is what they choose to give it.On that basis any judge can make whatever ruling he/she likes.
This will never change until all courts use one set of definitions only ,& that should be the OED because that is the language in common use and understood by everyone.

I would like to suggest that a section is opened for FOI requests .I for one have gained a lot from requests i have done in the past .
Just a library if you will of requests & responses.

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Re: A History of Rates

Post by actinglikeabanker on Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:48 pm

Hey,

The way I would personally find the meaning of “dwelling" is as follows,

Section 3, Local Government Finance Act 1992 := http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1992/14/section/3

Section 115, General Rate Act 1967 := http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1967/9/section/115/enacted

Part III, Local Government Finance Act 1988 := http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/41/part/III

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Re: A History of Rates

Post by iamani on Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:19 pm

Hi honeyaisle

Thank you SO much for playing along, please accept my apologies for how i came across in my last post, i was hoping to achieve more than one aim in doing it that way.

i shall now work on some (hopefully) suitable answers, and will post a little later.

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Re: A History of Rates

Post by iamani on Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:14 pm

Hi all

By following FM's clues i think i've cracked it. Either that or i've come up with a new theory that seems exciting!

Ferry Man - if this is what you were getting at then we'll fecking done lad! It also suggests a matrix exit, i love it! Ties in with my CQV research beautifully! So simple, yet so much potential! If it's not what you were getting at - then we'll done me!

honeyaisle - sorry to keep you waiting. In lieu of the answers i previously offered, would you be prepared to accept my opinion on what the 'concise brief statement of what he has found ' you were hankering after earlier, as an alternative?

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Re: A History of Rates

Post by teddy2 on Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:56 pm

another long day! lamani, yer perhaps on it this site in its early stages yet fueled by aged posters . f/man has obviously knowledge however to post the info could scupper works and give away the position and m/o used . when ever we use the legal fiction were stuffed , without subject matter jurisdiction they have nothing. it will be a shame for f/man to walk away , the mods have given the olive branch , totally in fairness just remains for ego to dissolve and all sweet .



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Re: A History of Rates

Post by iamani on Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:09 am

Hi teddy2

i think FM's been a bit hard-done-by to be honest. To be fair to the guy he stated his intentions and hopes quite clearly and came across with info/possible knowledge designed to be understood by the people of a certain level of knowledge and motivation that he told us he was hoping to engage with. That said, it IS a chat based forum and unfortunately it didn't work out quite to plan, and if it comes down to egos then we could probably ALL afford to try a bit harder in that dept. really......couldn't we?

Am i right in reading that caution may be in order on releasing this info (assuming i'm correct)?

Opinions, anyone....?

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Re: A History of Rates

Post by assassin on Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:32 am

Caution is always needed as for every way anyone has of thwarting a self protectionist system, they will find six ways of getting around it by using self perpetuating laws.

Honey, you could begin by starting at the top with this, look at supreme court rulings where dwelligs are defined by a panel of three judges and work downwards to the High Court and see how many definitions they have given, and in what context they have been given and presented, you already know these differences.
Draw all the similarities in definitions and context and apply them, if you can get just one defined version of the word dwelling from a superior court you can ensure the lower courts follow their own rules as they are bound by any precedent of a superior court.
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Re: A History of Rates

Post by teddy2 on Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:35 am

heads a tad heavy, that was a good red ! reading your angle of the matter , that word ego i perhaps clouded the character of f/m and was not deserved , he is perhaps able to take the quest to the next level , and to have a thread that can be joined by only those "up to speed" this site is for the good of all and were learning every day , the next level thread,
a good idea ,a race without novices is an extremely faster one then the draw back of others viewing with "the next move" the problem of creating solutions yet the others knowing its source .
always an issue , f/m seemingly had this in mind .
what is the solution on any forum .



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Re: A History of Rates

Post by assassin on Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:32 pm

Welcome to the court system.
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Re: A History of Rates

Post by Waffle on Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:38 pm

The term "dwelling" is used for census stock purpose.

Census; early 17th cent. (denoting a poll tax): from Latin, applied to the registration of citizens and property in ancient Rome, usually for taxation, from censere ‘assess’. The current sense dates from the mid 18th cent.

What tenure do you have? Who owns your home? You are a tenant renting the property from who? Why are you paying "tax" rent.......

The councils keep a UPRN (unique property reference number) for every registered property in Britain. Does a UPRN sound very much like a UTRN (unique tax reference number). Legislation was enacted in 1990 that made it a legal requirement for every property to be registered. It was 1990 when poll tax was introduced and subsequently changed to council tax in 1993.

In feudal law there used to be socage, they abolished this and to compensate her Majesty for the loss of revenue they introduced excise tax!

What needed replacing in 1990 for the introduction of poll tax. Why does anyone even if they are the "outright" owner have either a freehold or leasehold tenure, tenancy. who actually owns the property because I suspect someone else has a higher tenure than you, but still a lesser tenure than the queen.

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Re: A History of Rates

Post by Waffle on Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:42 pm

Even the fact that it is recorded as stock should send alarm bells ringing, and if we are recorded on the census then are we not also someone's stock. The census is a stock check for taxation purposes.

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