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Re: A History of Rates

Post by Ferry Man on Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:05 am

Good effort but don't get too hung up on Dwelling, did I say the Supreme Court agree with me on the meaning of Dwelling ?

I Think you need to re-read what I typed there exactly, my statement was with implicit regard to another term I omitted to mention, but in general the point is when it comes to a statutory definition, it is the one the Supreme Court cite by case that matters.

I think iamani has got the gist of it, had you followed the clues correctly, you would find the evidence that Council Tax only applies to commercial dwellings, not ones for living in only, and in logical consequence you would have discovered how and why the Courts and Councils ignore that fact and get you on a separate and more primary form of law, which they never disclose to you, probably because only a few at the top of the system are aware of the true nature of how the legal system and its courts actually operate...that is on bankruptcy in the public and the value of the ESTATES of the man in the private acting as surety for their charge back (perpetual slavery), the administrative personnel and lower judges on the at law side don't need to know as that side is all pre-scripted (even if they do deviate from it).

Like I said good try but you read what you wanted to see, and not what is being stated, so your still way off from finding the clue, that validates my point and leads you to the correct argument and the correct jurisdiction...

That is all from me guys, as I am not stopping. for those with the right attitude good luck.

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Re: A History of Rates

Post by iamani on Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:29 pm

Hi CT fans

Check this out (google): Local Government Finance Act 1992 - CLARIFICATION &template letter

It's on council tax scam blogspot. One day i'll learn how to post links and quotes and such.....

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Re: A History of Rates

Post by iamani on Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:41 pm

Hi all

Honey oil - whoa there! Back it up just a little, you found a new clue with your own research and skated past it.

The quote that begins "there is not scope here..." mentions an 'exemption' depending on whether it's commercial or domestic, then suggests that the difference might be due to whether the 'property' was sold under 'freehold' or 'lease'. Now i realise this is re:VAT rather than CT but.... Just sayin'.....

Hopefully at some point the bruise i appear to have inflicted on your ego will fade, and you will realise i was/am trying to help you.

Also, if you compare the LGA 1992 you posted with the one in the 'link' in my last post you will find the 'change of word without change of meaning' that FM mentioned was 'interesting'. That'll give you another meaning of 'dwelling' that you may not yet have seen.

Impressive tenacity, btw.

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Re: A History of Rates

Post by iamani on Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:55 pm

Hi all

Has anyone noticed the biblical connection yet? That'll give another idea for the meaning of dwelling, or even better - individual dwelling.

Is anybody focusing on the exemptions? eg

72 c) does not include a caravan which is not a person's sole or main residence.

That exemption is in plain sight. Now i'll have to get round to checking the given definition of caravan.... just in case....

Anybody found a concrete definition of 'land' or 'lands'?

Did you know 'diplomats' are exempt (class V)? Is it possible for you to become a 'diplomat'?

Does anyone know what i mean when i say you will only beat CT as part of a journey of self-realisation?

To be honest, CT doesn't and hasn't affected me due to my living arrangements, so it's not a priority in my studies. i'm doing this for fun and Fu.N. and intellectual stimulation (i don't watch TV and i don't get out much....) so forgive me if it seems i'm not taking it seriously. Having said that, i would love to see everybody free of it so i'm posting anything that seems 'interesting'.

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Re: A History of Rates

Post by LionsShare on Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:04 pm

iamani wrote:Hi CT fans

Check this out (google):  Local Government Finance Act 1992  -  CLARIFICATION &template letter

It's on council tax scam blogspot. One day i'll learn how to post links and quotes and such.....

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Hi iamani, is this the link you wanted?

https://council-tax-scam.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/local-government-finance-act-1992.html

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Re: A History of Rates

Post by iamani on Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:10 pm

Hi LionsShare

You-reka! That's the one, thank you very much!

i don't know if it's noticeable but i'm really getting obsessed with this.....

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Re: A History of Rates

Post by LionsShare on Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:17 pm

iamani wrote:Hi LionsShare

You-reka! That's the one, thank you very much!

i don't know if it's noticeable but i'm really getting obsessed with this.....

Cheers!
glad you are, as have been following this thread & the other who requested Ctax help. I want to know as much as I can, would love to attack ctax & get rid as soon as, however after seeing what happened to "jimmy" off the old site dont want to land myself in shit & lose everything I have - not too much either!

To post a link hi-lite the contents of the address bar -ctrl-c (copy) then ctrl-v (paste) into text - done!
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Re: A History of Rates

Post by iamani on Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:59 pm

Hi all

Has anybody counted how many ways T.H.E.Y. can classify your home as 'commercial'?

LionsShare - unfortunately i don't own a computer. All my tinterweb stuff is done on a smart (-er than me) phone. While i'm confident the phone can do it, i'm afraid i am the limiting factor in this instance. i do appreciate the thoughtful offer though, thanks.

.....and i think Jimmy is great, hope he's doing OK. (but i know what you mean)

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Re: A History of Rates

Post by iamani on Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:59 pm

Hi all

Honeyaisle - still giving me the cold-shoulder? Good for you....

Excellent post by the way, you're almost there - and largely by your own efforts. You do realise if you had been more considerate of the OP's stated position you might have the whole thing by now?

Yes, the letterbox makes your home a commercial dwelling - but it's not the only thing. Re-read the questionnaire you so graciously completed to find some indication as to where to look next - you should be staring to understand why i asked those questions.

A 'human' will never beat CT.....

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Re: A History of Rates

Post by assassin on Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:52 am

Why is everyone getting hung up on dead ends?

Commercial, domestic, what is the difference here? actually nothing as it is meaningless words as many are finding out, look at it logically for a moment, the birth (berth) certificate gives everyone a commercial side, you pay a council a fee (council tax) for a service, paying for a service is commerce.
Where are commercial accounts, bills, and demands sent too? a commercial address.
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Post by iamani on Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:58 am

Hi assassin

i respect your opinion - why do you think these are dead ends and not valid areas of research?

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Re: A History of Rates

Post by assassin on Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:00 am

Because people are arguing apples and pears and many of us have seen exactly the same thing for many years, and nothing changes.
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Re: A History of Rates

Post by iamani on Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:07 am

Hi assassin

Well, i KNOW you're not suggesting we should stop trying. What would you suggest?

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Post by assassin on Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:14 am

I would suggest everyone gets on the same page and ignores semantics, with a concerted from everyone in one direction we could make more headway.
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Re: A History of Rates

Post by iamani on Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:32 am

Hi assassin

i agree it would be beneficial to be on the same page, but semantics and pedantry seem to be 'de jour' when it comes to legislation so we are stuck with it unfortunately.

You're right about pulling in one direction though. As we're discussing CT, do you have an idea of a particular direction we could all pull in that might be more productive?

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Re: A History of Rates

Post by daveiron on Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:22 am

Just thought I would throw this in
Has anyone considered the Glossa /Justinian deception route ?
My CT bills contain a lot of DOG-LATIN Why ?


https://youtu.be/S3va6p6q6Zc

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Re: A History of Rates

Post by iamani on Thu Jul 13, 2017 7:33 pm

Hi daveiron

Thanks for the vid - i'm subscribed to Glossa Channel but it didn't show in my feed.

In theory the Glossa would be valid to invalidate the CT. Saw a good comment (several actually) under the vid. When you get your bill ask them (via posh post - naturally!) if it is all written in one language. Insist on the response being signed..... see what happens!

I'd quite forgotten about the Glossa, though i have used it for summat.

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Re: A History of Rates

Post by daveiron on Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:36 pm

Hi iamani,

The glossa channel has a sister channel = Justinian Deception channel .In case you were not aware.

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