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Post by Awoken2 on Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:06 pm

@Lopsum wrote:its plausible deniability . But i dont buy it , the storys were in the papers and on news this would prompt recollection of what did happen for those directly involved whether it was true or false it would be significant in their minds. We dont usually forget these significant circumstances so easily. They have admitted that they realise this room is "significant" .

Indeed, and after Miss de Silvo made that exact statement she then went on to be completely vague about any specifics regarding that flat.

If I had more time to work on this, some good editing software and the know-how to use it I could easily show how shambolic this inquiry is turning out to be.

There have been far too many inconsistencies in quite vital areas that have simply been brushed over, it's just ridiculous. Such as the police reporting bedsheets being dropped from the 8th floor and fire fighters Abell saying he had a close eye on a man dangling blankets from the 16th or 17th floors...that isn't a small discrepancy it's 8 or nine floors. Did the police miss off 9 floors or did the fire fighter add another 9 floors?....It's hardly a minor detail considering this inquiry is supposed to be finding facts. How can both of those statements be accepted as fact without any cross examination?

....There are too many others to mention, I'd be here all day.

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Post by Awoken2 on Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:39 am

And just 20 years ago evacuating numerous people from above a fire floor in a building higher than Grenfell wasn't a problem. So either there has been some major regressions in the LFB or it was totally sabotaged from the outset.

https://youtu.be/hyAKEhsOCTE
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Post by Awoken2 on Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:31 pm

So what was it Mr Millet? An event or an incident?

Listen carefully at exactly 1hr 2min and 29secs

https://youtu.be/BrtdHhJx6V8

It's during this evidence given by Brian O Keefe that he states he thought Grenfell Tower was a new build (50 mins to 51mins) He didn't see or recognise any cladding as he thought he was entering a new building. He says the glass and plastic facade made him think it must have been a new building.

Unfortunately he then goes on to explain he had visited that exact same building twice in the 12 months leading up to the fire so he's made an assumption that the 1974 building he had visited twice previously had subsequently been demolished and rebuilt.

Again unfortunately on both visits they were unable to access the building because they didn't have a security fob to get in. Luckily on the night of the fire there was a resident on hand to let the fire brigade in.

Luckily Mr O Keefe was able to keep a cool head under such circumstances as he had a lot of experience with high rise fires, most notably Trellick Towers second fire in April 2017 where he was IIncident Commander.

It took 25 minutes to get any water on the fire that day because there was a problem with the wet riser and internal.inquiry later found.

Lucky nobody died there eh?
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Re: 24 Storey Tower on Fire in Kensington - dies

Post by Awoken2 on Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:06 pm

A disturbing fact revealed by this inquiry, one of many....

One of the very first calls to the fire brigade control room came from a single male in room 111 at 1.24am. This was the first of numerous calls made by the single male in that flat, smoke was coming into his kitchen and after a while he was struggling to breathe.

There were just four fatalities on the 14th floor that night and by the process of elimination it means the occupant of room 111 was Dennis Murphy (evidence below)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-40457212

Now despite him being one of the first people to call for help that help did not arrive and Dennis lost his life.

From his first call getting received at 1.24am this call then created a service request on the call operators vision monitor which is then sent to the radio operator who then communicates the details of the call via radio to an officer on the fire ground in the Control Unit. He then creates an information control form recording those details which are then passed to a runner who takes them to another officer who is collating all the information before sending it into the tower where it gets recorded at the bridge head so fire fighters can then be deployed to their rescue.

Well by the time all that had happened the fire fighters deployed to save Mr Murphy didn't get this information until 1.51am, that's 27 minutes after his first call.

The two fire fighters out of four who were sent to rescue Mr Murphy kicked in his door and found him but then put him in room 113 with another 7 people they found. They then came back downstairs without any of the people who were trapped on the 14th floor.

The reason given why the fire fighters didn't rescue any of the people was because conditions were so bad that they feared for their own lives.

Fire fighters Murphy and Cornelius wear time confirms they were under air in the tower between 1.51am and 2.18am.

But evidence given by watch manager de Silvo states that 3 people had been rescued from room 113 and she was in possession of that information by between 2.15 to 2.30am.

Louisa de Silvo has stated categorilly that she wrote nothing on the wall on the 2nd floor bridgehead, this is contradicted totally in evidence given by Brian O Keefe, Justin O Bierne and Alex De St Aubin who all worked beside her at the bridge head.

Nobody, and I mean nobody is taking responsibility for the message stating "8 people 14th floor"

I wonder why?....

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Re: 24 Storey Tower on Fire in Kensington - dies

Post by Awoken2 on Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:16 pm

...furthermore, if only 3 people were rescued from room 113 as stated then that would leave 5 still in the flat but only 4 people died. None of it adds up at all.
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Re: 24 Storey Tower on Fire in Kensington - dies

Post by handle on Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:39 pm

What happened to Olu's wife? Is she not also an hero, battling the fire and helping her husband and others, and her daughter - very brave girl.

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Post by Awoken2 on Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:52 pm

She keeps a very low profile, not featured on her husband's Facebook at all, no Facebook of her own, no interviews, total anonymity.

And their daughter managed to age 7 years before getting rescued, according to Olu she was 4 but the girl rescued from 113 was aged about 11 or 12.

His whole story is a lie. There were Fire fighters exiting the building leaving residents to die because they feared they would run out of air and not get out alive. The smoke was not breathable...at all, that's unequivocal.
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Post by Awoken2 on Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:21 pm

So according to Mr O Keefe, Cornelias and Murphy arrived back from the 14th floor "in pretty bad shape" "exhausted" saying "they didn't think they were going to get out alive" and the de briefing by them was troubled because they "looked shaken"

But none of this is substantiated on the telemetry data which is found in the evidence section here.

https://www.grenfelltowerinquiry.org.uk/

What this data actually proves is that Cornelius and Murphy's maximum breathing rate under air were 109.82 and 102.3 respectively, these figures are comparatively low against other fighters under air at the same time. In fact the telemetry data shows that they had enough air left in their tanks to have remained in the tower another 5 or 6 minutes.

So the telemetry data is telling a different story to Mr O Keefe dubious account explained here between 16 min 51 secs to 21 minutes

https://youtu.be/iyJD9TbM91Q



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Post by Awoken2 on Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:48 pm

Remember Jody Martin?. The resident living opposite who assisted the BBC in their cover up of the caught baby story?

(From 4 minutes in)

https://youtu.be/VYPJc_wStqc

Now here in this footage Mr Martin talks us through how he flips from concerned bystander to heroic axe wielding reserve fire fighter on arrival at 1am before saving the lives of two pensioners before retiring to his roof terrace to watch people perish for the rest of the night.

https://youtu.be/PTMQdTkengI

Now I think it would be quite a pertinent point if Mr Martin was in fact an American Firefighter he would have at least dropped that into either of his interviews...which he most certainly doesn't.

So on the night itself we now find Mr Martin stood in the lobby of Grenfell Tower at 1.38am presenting himself as an American Firefighter....from where he was then promptly removed.

(46 mins 45 secs to 49 mins 22 secs)

https://youtu.be/KnkPlSSx7QU

That's one hell of a commute you have there Mr Martin.
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Post by Awoken2 on Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:11 pm

...So that's an American Firefighter with an Aussie accent living in London?....yes ok then.
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Post by Awoken2 on Sun Sep 02, 2018 10:30 pm

This is an excerpt from Christopher Bachelors written statement...

"They were talking about a man at the front of the building who was really animated. He was kicking a
dustbin and waving his arms. I thought he was in danger from the falling debris so I said "Mate, come on,
get away from the building." He was saying "My Girl, my girl. My girl is on the phone, my girl is in
there". I said I would take him to the paramedics and maybe she would already be there. However, he
then explained that she was in the tower and he was talking on the phone to her.The man's name was
Francis. I initially thought the woman in the flat was his partner, but I later found out that she was his sister"

There have been far too many lies told in this inquiry and not a single one of them has been examined or even questioned

So now let's see Francis tell the story of his SISTER'S death to Channel 5 news.

https://youtu.be/-EDz4qkjzNQ
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Post by Awoken2 on Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:07 am

What did you just say?

Listen very carefully between 2 hrs 1 min 20 secs to 2 hrs 2 mins..

https://youtu.be/0osaFbFZhwQ

"I don't want to give too much away because they're all to be used by the brigade in the future".....

You just did  give too much away....far too much.
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Post by Awoken2 on Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:37 am

Don't forget to tune into Thursdays edition.

Crammed into this ludicrous charade are SEVEN fire fighters all giving valuable evidence into this sham "investigation".

The third and fourth on the day are fire fighters Murphy and Cornelius. These are the two men who were tasked to rescue Dennis Murphy from room 111. On finding Mr Murphy they make the decision to take him to room 113 with another 7 people where they then left them there and that's where at least 3, maybe four of them died.

Now considering they have spent the best part of a day grilling some fire fighters on where they were standing and what radio channel they were talking on you would have thought that the death of four people would warrant close consideration to every single aspect of what went wrong.

...Not in this inquiry.
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Post by Awoken2 on Thu Sep 06, 2018 2:56 pm

Oh dear Mr Talabi it appears your bubble has just been burst, it was only a matter of time really.

As your rescuers now give their evidence of how they saved your life, your partner's life and your daughters life your story of your heroic escape now lies in tatters, along with your credibility.

It just seems a bit odd to me how the very same man, namely you, allow your photographs to be used by the gutter press to show you as a hero baby catcher without ever complaining then go on to whore yourself to the media claiming some miraculous heroic escape act at 3.30am when in fact you had been rescued by fire fighters nearly an hour beforehand?

Evidence to follow.



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Post by Awoken2 on Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:39 pm

Evidence has now been provided by two of LFB"s most diminutive fire fighters Desmond Murphy and Richard Herrera.

It was Mr Murphy who was tasked with rescuing Dennis Murphy from room 111 with fire fighters Nicke Merrion, Harvey Sanders, and Charles Cornelius.

On arriving at the 14th floor between 2am and 2.10am Mr Murphy made the decision that the best course of action would be not to rescue Dennis Murphy but to put him in room 112 then room 113. His reason given that the smoke conditions in the stairwell were too bad to bring anybody down without a secondary set of breathing apparatus, the other major contributory factor in making that decision was that they didn't have any communications to the bridge head.

What is vitally important about this piece of evidence is Mr Murphy's assertion that once he got back down to Mr O Keefe at the bridge head he specifically told him there were 8 people now in room 113 and they would need secondary sets of breathing apparatus to be able to rescue them. This was also confirmed by Charles Cornelius who again reiterated that the people on room 113 would need "second sets" to get out of the building.

Mr Murphy's evidence is here between 58 mins and 1hr 31 mins

https://youtu.be/suTXtJ5Nzmc

Now looking back at Mr O Keefe' s evidence there is absolutely no mention of this information being passed on, in fact Mr O Keefe suggested that Murphy and Cornelius were "in a terrible state and feared for their lives"...neither Murphy nor Cornelius made any mention of this whatsoever. In fact Mr Murphy only had one objective and that was to inform the bridge head that they would need secondary sets of breathing apparatus to rescue the people in room 113.

As four of those eight people lost their lives this type of discrepancy cannot be overlooked. Neither Mr O Keefe nor Miss De Silvo said anything in their evidence about Murphy telling them both they would  need secondary breathing sets.

If secondary breathing sets were available then responsibility would have to fall with O Keefe and De Silvo for not sending them up with the next rescue team.

Now moving on to Mr Talabi's rescue from the tower along with his family. On Mr Murphy arriving at the bridge head a second team of fire fighters were sent to rescue the occupants of room 113.

Fire fighters Herrera, Orchard, McAlonen and Juggins were sent to floor 14, Herrera was tasked with rescuing a family of 3 from room 113 (Talabi, partner and daughter) but Orchard was tasked with rescuing six people from room 113. McAlonen and Juggins were tasked with rescuing a woman and child from room 111 even though they started off in room 115 and were now in room 113. None of these Fire fighters were given secondary breathing sets.

Between the hours of 2.35am to 2.45am Talabi and his family were rescued, they were accompanied downstairs by four fire fighters and were out of the building by 2.45. What was not explored was how Talabi and family were able to breath the toxic smoke that filled the stairwell. The smoke was not breathable and this is the reason given by all fire fighters who came down without a resident.

Now moving on to Mr Herrera's evidence. It appears  Mr Herrera is being made the scapegoat here as it was him that went into room 113, when inside his evidence says there were only four people in the flat which were Talabi his partner, daughter and Omar Al Haj Ali. All four of those were then rescued and it was only when he spoke to Omar outside who was on the phone to his brother who was still in the flat that he realised there was somebody left behind. Again Mr Herrera has stated under oath that he then told the bridge head there was still somebody left in room 113. This was not included in O Keefs or De Silvo's testimonies. Mr Herrera states that he told De Silvo a person was still trapped in 113, again this was not mentioned at all in De Silvo's evidence.

The most contentious issues relating to Mr Herrera's evidence were the conversations he had with Omar Al Haj Ali who has effectively called Mr Herrara a liar. The fact that these conversations were totally ommited from his original statement given just 36 hrs after the event does cast doubt on the truthfulness if his evidence.


(Herrera evidence between 10 mins and 1hr 8 mins)


https://youtu.be/HCIcYsiJDTs

The broader point to make here is this. The three people who were thrust into our faces by the mainstream media in the hours following the fire all told lies about what happened that night.

Mahad Eghal claiming there was thick smoke on the 4th floor when he escaped was a total fabrication.

Mr Jody Martin claiming to be an American Firefighter to the ffirefighters tackling the blaze was a total fabrication. He also then went on to help the BBC cover up the caught baby story.

Mr Talabi's claims of dangling from bedsheets from his window then escaping with his family at 3.30am was a total fabrication. Then posing as a hero baby catcher for the tabloids.

Now were the mainstream media just unlucky in finding 3 people who couldn't lie straight in bed or do the mainstream media make these stories up themselves?

I'm sure there were many residents who escaped that night who could have given a truthful account of how they got out but it appears the mainstream media were not interested in them at all.
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Post by Awoken2 on Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:27 pm

The death of Zaynab Deen and her son Jeremiah is explained here in Christopher Bacheldors evidence. Now despite him being told that Zaynab made a 999 call to the fire service at 3.17am he continues to assert that he was was on the phone to Zaynab between the hours of 3am and 4.15am. As far as Mr Bachaldor is concerned Zaynab was in room 115 not 113 and that is were she died whilst on the phone.

22min to 50 mins

https://youtu.be/PcswWMb3ZPM

Now there have been two interviews given to the media by Francis Deen. In both of those interviews Francis refers to Zaynab as his friend and not his sister. Why would a man who has lost his sister in such tragic circumstances then go on tv and refer to her as his friend? One of the interviews has subsequently been removed but here is the one that remains.


https://youtu.be/-EDz4qkjzNQ

Now if you want to see how the media concocts storylines to sell papers just read what happened to the victims of floor 14 here.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/grenfell-tower-fire-victims-list-dead-presumed-killed-71-people-sir-martin-moore-bick-inquiry-a7945866.html

So according to this story Zaynab was still alive at 4 30am and Mohamed Al Haj Ali was found dead outside after either falling.or jumping from the building.

Neither of these storylines fit in with what is being said in this inquiry.


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Post by Awoken2 on Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:53 pm

When is Jody Martin not actually Jody Martin?

https://youtu.be/PTMQdTkengI

...answer, when he is Jordy Norbis

If this doesn't prove he was a crisis actor then nothing will.

Here are two excerpts from LFB's Operational Response Report.

01:37:47* A member of the public enters the main entrance and starts talking to firefighters (he is
subsequently identified as Jordy Norbis). It is believed from statements that he is explaining that
people are going to jump around the back. All the firefighters leave the lobby and move towards
the West elevation to investigate (Source, Camera 4, CCTV)

01:42:34* Jordy Norbis enters the main lobby carrying a large firefighters axe. He has a discussion with
WM Watson and explains that he believes there are people at the rear of the building who are
threatening to jump. According to WM Watson's statement, he asks Mr Norbis who he is. Mr
Norbis tells WM Watson that he is an American firefighter. WM Watson comments in his
statement that it doesn't matter that he is an American firefighter. He states he tells Mr Norbis
to show Firefighter Murray around the back to corroborate Mr Norbis' information. Firefighter
Murray returns and explains that Mr Norbis is right. WM Watson then tells Firefighter Murray to
go and get a loudhailer and reassure the residents (Source, Camera 4, CCTV, MPS Witness
Statement: GTIRT18-00073).
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Post by Awoken2 on Mon Sep 10, 2018 2:20 pm

Here we have John Beadle claiming he was playing cards with friends in his flat when the fire started. (From 2 mins onwards)

https://youtu.be/tHyZoXC07t0

And here we see that he didn't arrive at Grenfell Tower  until 00.56am where he was captured on CCTV.

01:46:49* John Beadle (flat 13, fourth floor) leaves the building. He was seen entering the building at
00:56:01 (Source, Cameras 3 and 4, CCTV)
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Post by handle on Mon Sep 10, 2018 2:50 pm

when did the fire start? (i am not inferring anything.....yet)

I have to say your updates and analysis are excellent. I trust more from your assessment than the media coverage coverup.

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Post by Awoken2 on Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:08 pm

@handle wrote:when did the fire start? (i am not inferring anything.....yet)

I have to say your updates and analysis are excellent. I trust more from your assessment than the media coverage coverup.

The fire started at 00.52 approx with the 1st call made to 999 at 00.56.

Thanks Handle, there is plenty more to disclose over this scandal. Watch this space.
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Post by handle on Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:14 pm

so, fire starts at 00:52. Someone gets picked up on CCTV entering 4 mins later. I wonder how many other people were so picked up.

....because the fire , IMHO, was not an accident. I felt this from day one. I spoke with a constable at the scene a few days later when I went to donate goods and the policeman said that an explosion was heard 10 blocks away. No fridges do not explode that dramatically. What the policeman said, I have not heard in the media. Has anyone heard this?

Its interesting that Talabi described it as being in a horror movie at the beginning of that video above. A horror movie is very different from a disaster movie. Horror being usually depicted by the actions of a person/entity. Disaster would probably have been a better description.

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Post by Awoken2 on Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:39 pm

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that this was not an accidental fire. I've listened intently to hundreds of hours of.fire fighter evidence and they have all collectively indicated an overwhelming consensus that none of them had ever dealt with a fire that acted in the way Grenfell did.

You have fire fighters with over 30 years experience saying they had never dealt with a fire.of that type before. The fire spread was unprecedented, water was useless as a fire fighting medium and when you factor in how the fire service was as good as disabled to do their job then when you put it all together you have the ingredients of a planned event.

Take into account also the media's use of actors and also the predictive programming of the event it can only lead you to the same conclusion.

In my eyes this is one of the biggest scandals ever to be played out here in the UK.

I will shortly post the LFB's operational response report, this document raises more questions than it answers believe me.
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Post by Awoken2 on Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:03 pm

There was one very important question that was never asked to the eight fire fighters involved in the rescue of Talabi.

How did a man with a child on his back manage to run down 12 floors of toxic smoke filled stairs without the need for breathing apparatus?

It's quite important to note that the only reason given by fire fighters for not bringing people out of the building is because the smoke would have killed them.

So why did it not kill Olu and his family?.... I guess we'll never know.


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Post by Awoken2 on Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:43 pm

I'm going to have an absolute field day with this document. Many lies have been told in this inquiry. When time allows I will show you exactly how this is being constructed.

The fundamental principle of making a good jigsaw puzzle is ensuring that all the pieces fit together to make a clear picture.

The planners of this event and the subsequent cover up have not taken this into account.

What I have learned just by listening to today's evidence is just strengthening my belief that this was no accidental fire. This inquiry is purely an exercise in certain individuals taking care.

Cover
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Retain
Employment.

The interesting parts are between 2am and 3am.

https://www.grenfelltowerinquiry.org.uk/file/1330/download?token=z_aVGYGW
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Post by Awoken2 on Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:06 pm

So what would be the chances of a family just like Talbi's family, with a young child tied to her father's back, being rescued from the tower just FIVE minutes after Talabi?

Pretty slim I would say.

CCTV and fire fighters all confirm that Talabi and fam were rescued and out of the building at 2.45.

Look at this entry from the ORR.

02:50* BA Team 27, Firefighter Dwyer and Firefighter Perez escort a family down to the bridgehead
where they untie the child (who is secured to the male by a jumper) and take them down to the
mezzanine floor. All three are described as being • of heritage and the child is approx. 6-7
years old (Source, MPS Witness Statement of Firefighter Perez and Firefighter Dwyer: GTIRT18-
01548, GTIRT18-03108)
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