Look up in the sky....

Hey handle, I think you may find that the distance you have given for the sun is the astronomical unit (AU) and not miles.

Hey max2000, there is life in the bottom of the ocean that does pretty well without sun.

Have a look for Dr Cindy Van Dover.

Hi, Anyone ever looked into the Admiral Byrd stuff, the Captain Cook Antarctic voyages, or Antarctic treaty? just wondered what all your thoughts are....(something strange is that when i looked into this stuff years ago the audio on the youtube streams was not tainted like today, they seem to have doctored a lot of it)

Life on the Bottom of the Ocean lives off stuff that forms closer to the top, and each other of course.

He yguys, maybe these two clips might help

Thanks tent peg

I've learned loads of moon stuff today, no more shall I look up in the sky and be confused.

Never was

Just been out Front with my Table Top.
Jupiter is out tonight with 4 prominent Moons.
No sign of the Sun even though it is Warm.

I have had the opportunity to conduct my own observations and experiment on the suns distance and height from earth. No chemtrails or clouds just a pure sunset. Pic 1 The sun set facing WSW at 16:02 Brightonish UK. Pic 2 facing south, 1 hour 5 mins after sunset, this pic shows twilight, light and dark long after the sun has dipped below the "Horizon". There are a number of things wrong with pic 2, there should be no light in the frame by this time and the light is at the wrong angle, it should be pointing up into space, not bending back down to terrafirma. It looks like a wedge laying across the ocean, the wedge should be the other way up in the sky, not laying across the ocean.

The sun at this time of year (just after winter solstice) is almost directly above the tropic of capricorn, 5200 miles south of my location. We are told the earth rotates at approx 1040 mph. Im using this as the speed of the sun, which should put it 5200 miles west. At noon the sun is 5200 miles south above the Tropic of Capricorn, 5 hours later when pic 2 was taken puts it 5200 miles west not too far from Easter Island, not too far from Easter Island also has a 5 hour time difference, confirming my calculations are correct. From this location back to mine is 7400 miles. At noon the sun has a trajectory of 16º. The tangent of 16º is 0.3006, multiplying this by its distance will give us the suns height. 0.3006 x 5200 = 1563 miles. Providing google maps distances are correct, in winter, approximately winter solstice UK, the sun is at an approximate hight of 1500 miles high and can throws its light about 7400 miles, which is the daylight/night twilight crossover seen in pic 2.

But what do I know I don't work for NASA.

Handle you made an excellent point about the earth reflecting the light it receives form the sun back onto the moon, the moon lights up earth, why the bloody hell doesn't the earth light up the moon?

My own observations tell me that what we are told about the phases of the moon are completely incorrect, plenty of my own video evidence that proves this. The moon does not reflect the light in conjunction with its alignment to the sun, what we actually observe is nothing like the moon phases demonstrations video in the post above, nothing at all like it.

Pic 1
https://i.servimg.com/u/f58/19/67/49/96/img_0912.jpg

Pic 2
https://i.servimg.com/u/f58/19/67/49/96/img_0913.jpg

Oh Dear.

A few months ago I bought one of these,
https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/vjd/Orion-10013-GoScope-80mm-TableTop-Refractor-Telescope/B00C65FNVI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1497826226&sr=8-2&keywords=orion+goscope
Seem to have a 2 hour window on Jupiter around Midnight.
If you get one Waffle I strongly advise you do not use it to look at the Sun.

I assume your teaching me from your own bad experience, thanks for the warning Max

I have been welding various materials for over 30 years. I ain't that stupid.
I started welding before I got a decent scope.

My 2 hour window on Jupiter starts about 9-30 PM. No need to quick in this weather.
Still no sign of the Sun.

max2000 wrote:Light is pretty amazing stuff. Unstoppable in fact.
All life as we know it depends on Light, usually from the Stars.

It causes plants to grow, (Food) other animals eat the Plants (more food) plants decay over millions of years and become Fossil Fuels.

Religions are based on Stars. I put my Faith in Science a long time ago. I like to prove/disprove things myself.

I was sat outback of the House last night, it was warm, the Vodka and Coke was cold, the Sky was clear and very beautiful to look at.

The Riftia pachyptila, survives without depending on light.

Pretty amazing animal, it has no mouth, stomach or eyes, but is born with a mouth.

The Riftia pachyptila itself takes in sulphuric chemicals from deep ocean thermal vents via a trophosome and forms a symbiotic relationship with chemosynthetic bacteria for food. It could be argued though that this bacteria is the link to some photosynthasis 'attachments' through oxidation and reduction, in some circumstances this would appear to be correct, but is it accurate for all circumstances of life and its dependency on light, such as chemosynthetic bacteria itself?.

max2000 wrote:Life on the Bottom of the Ocean lives off stuff that forms closer to the top, and each other of course.

If we are to postulate that the 'big bang' is the creator of the universe then we must also consider that light (from the sun) is not the neutral state of order, the big bang is not the sun, nor is the sun the big bang.

Over long periods of time the big bang may well have formed the ingredients for a sun or may well be an ember of a big bang itself, that said the composite nature of the universe and its underlying parts/components were either present prior or altered upon creation, including sulphur.

We have seen a sun but only recently discovered evidence of black holes. In contrast to these 'hot' big bodies we call suns that disperse light on everything in its path, we have these 'cold' big bodies we call black holes that suck up light and everything in its path.

Chemoautotrophic bacteria can potentially survive or potentially provide a symbiotic relationship in both environments.

Sulfur: Fountainhead of life in the Universe?

https://www.history.nasa.gov/CP-2156/ch1.3.htm

Sulfur is ubiquitous in the Universe and essential to all life forms that we know. It supports the chemoautotrophic way of life and the photosynthetic. It may inhabit niches we cannot imagine, and the life zone about a star may therefore be wider than now estimated.

Are they Tasty?

I'm sorry but how can we keep citing and believing information provided by an organisation that has been proven time and time again to lie and deceive us.

Maybe it's a persanal thing but I can not trust the information presented to us by that organisation. Can I trust internet sources, probably not, which is why myself and 10's of thousands of others have resorted to conducting their own experiments....,

One thing I know for sure is that their is one organisation responsible for creating all this controversy and confusion, personally I do not trust their information.

Isn't a big part of the problem our failings to question things I.e banks, prehaps this is just another organisation we have failed to question and merely drift through life following whatever beliefs they present is with, maybe that's not too different to our beliefs about the banking systems

I just think the Universe has always been there.

Our tiny minds can only comprehend so much.

Ever seen the curve that is the Earth, Plane window seat helps. Never seen an edge tho'.

no never seen either.

i have seen planes (whose thin aluminium wings cannot support our weight) slice through & bring down steel structured towers though...it was on the TV it must be true!

see if i you catch a liar out many times you have got to doubt/question everything they say

"Oh! what a tangled web we weave/When first we practice to deceive!"

Save your Pennies up and go look.

If you think bout it. Why has no one gotten evidence of the edge?
And if the earth was flat. What would happen a the edge?
Would water spill off into space?
Would there be subsidence where the edge was, with earth and rock or ice falling off and drifting into space?
What would be underneath? Roots of trees, or another flat planet called something else with a whole different civilisation, that can't seem to get round the edge to our flat earth?
When you try and imagine the edge, and how it could be, the whole idea becomes preposterous.

You need to think in 3 Dimensions. Flat earthers obviously can't. Imagine trying to explain a Black hole in space to them?

This thread was not about FE or globe theories. It's about the observations of the moon one of our group members made and rightly questioned. Contributions of such have followed. Unfortunately due to the breach of all our faith in certain organisations it results in a matter of opinion rather than fact. But their is no need to condescend people just because of their belief system. If we want a free world then maybe we should let each other be free. Free to think and express without ridicule from peers.