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Post by Waffle on Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:41 pm

The prima facie evidence shown in other threads appears to show a collusion between HM and the Bishop of Rome, if not an incessant battle that has dominated this plane for centuries. A little ponder and a peek in the law dictionary brought this to my attention.

metropolitan stipendiary magistrate (stI-pen-dee-eree).
English law. A stipendiary magistrate with jurisdiction
in inner London areas. _ Under the Access to
Justice Act 1999, these magistrates have been renamed
district judges (magistrates' courts). See stipendiary
magistrate.

stipendiary magistrate (stI -pen-dee-er-ee). English
law. A salaried magistrate that performs either in
the place of or along with Justices of the Peace, and
is appointed from barristers and solicitors of seven
years standing.

Here is the act as a reference point should anyone want to look

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1999/22/contents


It raises the question are all magistrates under the super vision of metropolitan stipendiary magistrates?

For everyone to understand the relevance of this post I shall point out the facts about the term metropolitan

A metropolis or metropolitan archdiocese is a see or city whose bishop is the metropolitan of a province. Metropolises, historically, have been important cities in their provinces.

In Christian churches with episcopal polity, the rank of metropolitan bishop, or simply metropolitan, pertains to the diocesan bishop or archbishop of a metropolis (then more precisely called metropolitan archbishop); that is, the chief city of a historical Roman province, ecclesiastical province, or regional capital.

The Roman Catholic Diocese of Westminster is a diocese[1] of the Latin Rite of the Roman Catholic Church in England. The diocese consists of all of London north of the River Thames and west of the River Lea, the borough of Spelthorne (in Surrey), and the county of Hertfordshire, which lies immediately to London's north.


Here we can clearly see that a metropolis is a metropolitan which is a diocese (like a county) of the see of a Roman Catholic Archbishop, such as the one highlighted above. The Roman Catholic Archbishop of the metropolitan disease of Westminster. Ergo, the term metropolitan or metropolis belongs to an ecclesiastical territory. The one highlighted here is actually the ecclesiastical territory of the Roman Catholics, that means its the territory of the Bishop of Rome, the area highlighted is the whole of North London anything North of the Thames. Maybe we'll all think of the metropolitan police force in a very different light, they are Roman Catholic Police.


Back to the beginning of the thread, metropolitan stipendiary magistrate have all been renamed as district judges these guys are responsible for the Mags courts we are all complaining about!

The courts and tribunal judiciary website says this about district judges:

All judges are appointed by Royal Warrant upon recommendation by the Lord Chancellor.

In the United Kingdom, grants are currently made by the three most senior members of the British Royal Family to companies or tradesmen who supply goods and services to individuals in the family.

However, the same site also says this......... The Senior District Judge (Chief Magistrate), as he or she is known, has a leadership responsibility for the 300-or-so District Judges (Magistrates’ Courts) (DJMCs), and Deputy DJMCs across England and Wales. The Chief Magistrate has no authority over lay magistrates, or over the several hundreds of district judges who sit in the county courts of England and Wales.

When the first Chief Magistrate began sitting at Bow Street in 1735, the title wasn’t confusing at all – at the time, magistrates in London were paid judicial office-holders, and magistrates’ courts in London were presided over by Metropolitan stipendiary magistrates.  All magistrates – paid and unpaid – are Justices of the Peace. Nowadays the word magistrate is more commonly used for the unpaid judicial office holders, also commonly known as JPs.

Early holders of the post also had responsibility for the Bow Street Runners, until they were replaced by the Metropolitan Police in the 19th century.

So the District Judges are supplying services to the Royal Family. It is the District Judge who is the Magistrates Court and all Magistrates Courts (District Judges) in London were superseded by Roman Catholic Magistrates in the mid 17th century...


It raise the question who are the District Judges or Magistrates Courts actually servants of; are they all servants of HM or are they servants of the Bishop of Rome, or are they split servants of both depending on their diocese?

We know they are supplying a service to the Royal Family, but are they serving in Rome or Britain, because the two seem to keep popping up in the same place as the same place!!



So far I have founds some evidence suggesting they are split. Almost worse than this the magistrates are all paid from the consolidation fund.......


The Administration of Justice Act 1973 (c.15)
   21. In section 9(1) of the Administration of Justice Act 1973 (judicial salaries charged on and paid out of the Consolidated Fund), for paragraphs (e) and (f) (metropolitan stipendiary magistrates and other stipendiary magistrates) substitute- "(e) District Judges (Magistrates' Courts);".


The Metropolitan Magistrates' Courts Act 1959 (c.45)
   14. The Metropolitan Magistrates' Courts Act 1959 (functions of Receiver) has effect subject to the following amendments.

   15. In section 3(1) (power of Receiver to provide premises for probation purposes), for the words "and the metropolitan magistrates courts" substitute "and the magistrates' courts acting for petty sessions areas falling wholly within the inner London boroughs".

   16. In section 4(2) (borrowing power of Receiver), for the words "of the metropolitan magistrates' courts" substitute "of the magistrates' courts acting for petty sessions areas falling wholly within the inner London boroughs".


https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199899/cmbills/102/99102-aa.htm

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Re: Magistrates

Post by iamani on Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:25 pm

Hi Waffle

Explains a lot and a good read too(your post, that is - yet to check the link).


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Post by Waffle on Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:56 pm



"petty sessions" - May have some relevance to the suspected feudal council tax

A court of petty sessions was[when?] a local court consisting of magistrates held for a "hundred" in England, Wales, and Ireland.

A hundred is an administrative division that is geographically part of a larger region

In England a hundred was the division of a shire for military and judicial purposes under the common law, which could have varying extent of common feudal ownership, from complete suzerainty to minor royal or ecclesiastical prerogatives and rights of ownership.[1] Until the introduction of districts by the Local Government Act 1894, hundreds were the only widely used assessment unit between the parish, with its various administrative functions and the county, with its formal, ceremonial functions in size.[2]

The term "hundred" is first recorded in the laws of Edmund I (939-46) as a measure of land and the area served by a hundred court. In the midlands, they often covered an area of about 100 hides.

The hide was an English unit of land measurement originally intended to represent the amount of land sufficient to support a household. It was traditionally taken to be 120 acres (49 hectares), but was in fact a measure of value and tax assessment, including obligations for food-rent (feorm), maintenance and repair of bridges and fortifications, manpower for the army (fyrd), and (eventually) the geld land tax. The hide's method of calculation is now obscure: different properties with the same hidage could vary greatly in extent even in the same county. Following the Norman Conquest of England, the hidage assessments were recorded in the Domesday Book and there was a tendency for land producing £1 of income per year to be assessed at 1 hide. The Norman kings continued to use the unit for their tax assessments until the end of the 12th century.

Domesday Book, recording the results of the survey made on the orders of William I in 1086, states in hides (or carucates or sulungs as the case might be) the assessed values of estates throughout the area covered by the survey.

Petty interesting article

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hide_(unit)

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Post by Waffle on Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:05 pm

120 acres to support 1 housheold..... How many people used to live in the house?

The old Manors and Estates we see resemble hides, I picture them as a aristocratic (before the renaissance period of course) family with 120 acres worth of shelters made from bits of old wood and hay with peasants living in them farming the land and paying the assessment tax for the holders of the land.

How the bloody hell did we let them take it all from us, is it not insane that the only thing that "proves" they own it all is a bloody record in some old book kept in a cupboard at the land registry office, I'd say lets just take it back, its just the jobsworths that cause the problem.....

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Post by Waffle on Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:57 pm

There is a term used in the "petty sessions" post which I think is absolute key to whats going on.....

"UNIT"

A hide was an english "UNIT" of land..... Hundreds were the only wide assessment "UNIT" before they were transformed into districts under the local government act of 1894.........

Well if I can't piece that piece of the puzzle with something Surprised)

The registrar shall keep a register relating to each description of stock or bonds and in that register he shall enter the name and address of each person who is for the time being a holder of stock or bonds of that description and the amount of such stock or bonds which he holds.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1974/519/regulation/5/made

“uncertificated unit of a security” means a unit of a security title to which is recorded on the relevant register of securities as being held in uncertificated form, and title to which, by virtue of these Regulations, may be transferred by means of a relevant system; and “certificated unit of a security” means a unit of a security which is not an uncertificated unit;

“unit of a security” means the smallest possible transferable unit of the security (for example a single share); and other expressions have the meanings given to them by the 1985 Act.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1995/3272/regulation/3/made

(a)“securities” means shares, debentures, debenture stock, loan stock, bonds, units of a collective investment scheme within the meaning of the Financial Services and Markets Act 2000 (c. Cool and other securities of any description;

(b)references to title to securities include any legal or equitable interest in securities;

(c)references to a transfer of title include a transfer by way of security;

(d)references to transfer without a written instrument include, in relation to bearer securities, transfer without delivery.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/783

Overall number of domestic properties (the 'dwelling stock') and the number and percentage of properties allocated to each of the eight standard Council Tax bands. Source: Valuation Office Agency (VOA)

A dwelling is a hide and the smallest single unit used for council tax assessment converted into a unit of security for the trading of financial instruments........


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Post by Waffle on Sat Jul 29, 2017 12:26 am

Investors are buying bonds and stock from local governments, this is what the local authorities pay them with

(2) A local authority may, in money or stock or both, make a reasonable payment to the holder referred to in paragraph (1) above for his consent or for otherwise compensating him for the redemption or substitution of his security.

Council homes are being sold off more than three times faster than they can replace them......

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jun/28/council-homes-sold-off-almost-three-times-as-fast-as-new-ones-are-built

They are giving their "stock" to pay back the debts they've created from selling securities, thats why theres new houses being put up everywhere, the investors are raking it in and they are putting us in jail because they can't keep up with their debts. We the liability and as per the aristocracy taking it from us and selling it back at prices we can't afford.

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Post by assassin on Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:57 am

Hi Waffle

Try variations of the term HIDE and you get some interesting results.
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Post by Waffle on Sat Jul 29, 2017 3:50 pm

Hey Assassin

I will come back to that thought, in the mean time I have found this article which includes magistrates quite interesting, I also have some Anglican scriptures to add to this

The New Testament gives us some broad principles on how we are supposed to respond to government. For example, Romans 13 elaborates on the origin and institution of government as something that God ordains.

The great theologian Augustine said that government is a necessary evil, that it is necessary because of evil. And most theologians in the history of the church have said that human evil is the reason even corrupt government is better than no government at all. The function of government is to restrain evil and to maintain, uphold, and protect the sanctity of life and of property. Given this function, the Christian understands that government is ordained of God, and so Christians, first of all, are called to respect whatever it is that God institutes and ordains.

For God’s sake we are called to be model citizens. We are told to bend over backwards to honor the king or be obedient to the civil magistrates. That doesn’t mean a slavish obedience to the civil magistrates. There are occasions on which Christians not only may but must disobey the civil magistrates. Anytime a civil government requires a Christian to do what God forbids or forbids them to do what God commands, then the person must disobey. But our basic posture toward government, according to the New Testament, is to be submissive and obedient citizens of the state. We are also given the duty of praying for earthly governments that they may fulfill the tasks God has given to them.

http://www.ligonier.org/blog/christians-and-government/

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Post by iamani on Sat Jul 29, 2017 4:49 pm

Hi all

Waffle - there are parts of the bible that are inspired by the higher mind, and there are parts that were inspired by the lower mind. i would say anything that helps the elite control us comes from the latter, ie if it's about material, and how to keep a-hold of it, it shouldn't be taken as 'gospel'.....

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Post by assassin on Sat Jul 29, 2017 7:27 pm

iamani, you are sinking to the lowest mind you can find in your example, dont we lock these minsa away in institutions and call them mad?
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Post by iamani on Sat Jul 29, 2017 7:35 pm

Hi assassin

Sorry old chap, not sure i follow.... lock who up?

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Post by assassin on Sun Jul 30, 2017 3:14 am

Delinquent minds. They call them psychiatric hospitals.
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Post by iamani on Sun Jul 30, 2017 12:02 pm

Hi assassin

Are you referring to the 'madness' of religious belief? i'm afraid we can't escape the relevance of the bible in the subjects we have chosen to study, whatever our views.

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Post by assassin on Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:22 pm

No, nothing to do with religion, just the nutcases, the fruitcakes, the loopiest of society.

They get court orders and lock them away, and at one time calling someone a crackpot was a sure fire way of discrediting them, and getting them locked away until death, look at Hess during WW II, he was of sound mind but was declared a nutter and locked away for the duration of the war, nothing to do with war crimes.
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