Re: UK government’s coronavirus action plan

by **LionsShare** Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:46 pm

daveiron wrote:I ditched my smart phone a couple of years ago and went to an old stile nokia
3310 .Bit strange we both got the text whilst travelling. Be of interest to see
others input.

I got a text too, I have not got any smart fone just an old type.

by Kestrel Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:52 am

I think everyone has received the same message, my phones rarely turned on but i got same message later, i have an old phone, never had a smart phone, not particularly interested in what they say my life is my concern & not theirs.

by flyingfish Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:30 pm

itheman wrote:Frequency well known to cause all manner of things (Cancer i have heard now and then is a virus, jury is out) so if a virus is something that is created by cell being attacked then what is causing Corona virus (attacking the cells)?

A virus is a standalone organism (or thing let's say). Basically it contains either DNA or RNA, a couple of bits of protein and that's it. All it can do is reproduce, it can't metabolise so it needs a host cell to do the work. You could think of it as comprising just the blueprint for how to reproduce itself, plus some bits and pieces that trick the host cell into reproducing virus copies flat out.

by itheman Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:53 pm

Check out the summary ff

https://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/the-origins-of-viruses-14398218/

by flyingfish Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:06 pm

Thanks. Which particular bit are you looking at? I may have misinterpreted your post, but you seemed to be citing a theory that viruses are created when a cell is attacked by something other than a virus. That's not a theory that I've seen proposed, although if you're referring to their original evolution millions of years ago then I suppose that's anyone's guess.

by itheman Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:21 pm

After all I've seen in the last few years i tend to try and take nothing for granted. i have heard cancer is a virus and cancer can be caused by triggers...it would not suprise me if viruses have been made out to be something they're not (perhaps accidentally once but some bright spark thought, hey, we can scare people with this) perfect tool in their armoury
daveiron posted this a little while back, it's what got me thinking about what actually is a virus? Fascinating
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh1U_mwgILg&feature=youtu.be

by flyingfish Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:15 pm

There are some forms of cancer that can be triggered by viruses, that's well enough established for the name "oncovirus" to be coined for the viruses. I don't believe it's a complete explanation yet. If you consider that cancer is cellular reproduction going off the rails it's really a symptom rather than a disease so it's quite possible that there are many different triggers.

by itheman Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:26 pm

You're right there ff, cells reproducing in an off-the-rails manner is a symptom.
So fair to say cancer is caused by a trigger. i have read that with most cancers there is a specific parasitic worm present.
Then the virtus...is a cause? Symptom? Or both?

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