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Post by QUEENISABELLA on Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:21 pm

hi everybody, are there any were bank members on line if so have you any ideas as to the situation at the moment they have moved from stoke
are they still active can peter be contacted thanks kind regards queenisabella

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Post by Jinxer on Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:47 pm

I think the last e-mail I had off were bank was last year sometime and Peter was in Germany setting up over there.

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Post by daveiron on Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:21 pm

I gave up with it a long time ago,when i found it was impossible to get a response from him.
I do know someone who claims ( & i have no reason to doubt him) that his WeRe cheques ect are clearing with no problems ,with the exception of CT which i believe is in litigation. He is in regular contact with Peter.

I do believe Peter has it right ,but I am strongly of the opinion that he has let us down.

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Post by QUEENISABELLA on Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:29 pm

thanks my friends for your replies i have had email from peter a couple of weeks ago but i think the stoke office has closed but it seems i bit sudden i know he was having
trouble with the landlord of the offices who was being pressured to get were bank out of the offices ,just have to wait and see i cannot see him doing a runner after all the hard work he,s put in. thanks again queenisabella

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Post by Jinxer on Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:08 pm

Hi QUEENISABELLA could I ask did you ever use a were bank cheque and if so did they work.

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Post by QUEENISABELLA on Wed Sep 27, 2017 5:21 pm

hi jinxer ,the cheques do work I will post some of my dealings tomorrow and you can judge for yourself its not an easy ride anything worthwhile never is when u r fighting the system I,m fighting the energy company at the moment watch this space.peace and god bless

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Post by QUEENISABELLA on Wed Sep 27, 2017 5:36 pm

hi all WeRe bank is still very much alive ive had emails in the last couple of days my mail to them has been interfered with don,t know why must ask the post office about it
however I am pleased to say WeRe bank is going great cheers all peace

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Post by aarons1950 on Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:49 pm

This dont' make sense.

In your first post you ask if Were Bank is still going and how you can get in contact with Peter but then you say its' still going and youv'e had emails in the last couple of days and your cheques are clearing. So which is it?

He did do a runner to Germany and tried to sell a bank card that was next to useless as you can only use it in a shop that takes Re which is none. Folk have lost there homes trying to use Were Bank, Cindy in Sheffield to name one.

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Post by Society of the Spectacle on Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:05 pm

anyone got a Link to the Video exposing the Credit card ?
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Post by aarons1950 on Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:12 pm

@Society of the Spectacle wrote:anyone got a Link to the Video exposing the Credit card ?

It was on Quatloose. Found this on a google search.

http://quatloosia.blogspot.co.uk/2016/07/is-peter-doing-this-on-purpose.html

I had high hopes when Were Bank first started but I think Peter of England is a conman who now has prom notes worth millions while his members were left in the lerch.

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Post by Society of the Spectacle on Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:30 pm

This vid contains the Mistake ,
can't remember what it was just Now.
( Im still waiting for someone to ask how to stop Peter from taking their home )
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Post by actinglikeabanker on Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:22 am

From the old site := http://www.getoutofdebtfree.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=100110

@actinglikeabanker wrote:I guarantee you that you will not be able to use it within Tesco etc as there is no WeRe interface ISO.

Each provider of point of sale (POS) transactions has either their own ISO interface specification (which cost a great deal of money to implement and is not worth it for most companies) or uses an-others interface and pays fees for the pleasure.

Should there be a WeRe POS terminal then it could be possible to have it back end via the internet to a database on a PC, but I assure you no acquirer (ACQR) will accept a transaction from WeRe as there will be no way of parsing the transaction, nor will the data on the card be in a format they understand.

Also for WeRe to be attached to a switch as an issuer (ISSR) they would need to pay, in accepted currency for the pleasure of doing so.

In summary, a transaction works as follows ACQR is the shop/supermarket that acquires the transaction this is then sent to a switch which may be owned by the ACQR or ISSR but these things cost a fortune (one example is a HP nonstop tandem and can run into hundreds of thousands/millions, and that doesn't even include technical support). When a transaction hits the switch and depending on who owns the switch or if it goes straight to the ISSR (i.e. it can circumvent the switch if the ACQR and ISSR are both the same, VISA for example, this would fit the WeRe profile i.e. WeRe ACQR POS sent via the internet to WeRe computer with a basic database, I am fairly confident WeRe does not own a switch).

Many institutions use LINK as the ACQR as seen on POS devices, there are others but for this purpose, you get the idea.

If for example it is a LINK acquired transaction then it gets sent to the switch in the form of a bitmap which indicates which fields are present (Track one, Track two, Tertiary, or if it is a chip transaction which basically contains all the information on the tracks (mag-stripe) but within the chip, known as EMV data or field 55).

This is then parsed through the ACQR interface (basically a long piece of code that takes the data and puts it in the fields i.e. translates it from hexadecimal or similar into the various fields such as ACQR ID, ISSR ID, Account number etc etc) and sends this to the switch, the switch then translates the data using something like FIN_FORMAT_FROM_ACQR to FIN_FORMAT_TO_ISSR this could be like VISA, MasterCard etc. Basically it is transferring it from one set of fields to fit into a recognizable set of fields for the ISSR.

The transaction then goes to the ISSR i.e. your bank and then its is approved, declined etc and the process is reversed back to the ACQR translating the response back into a understandable format for the POS including any response codes etc. This all happens in a small amount of time, normally seconds.

So, if any of that makes any sense then I hope you can see that it is a very costly procedure to implement, if a ACQR uses an-others interface like LINK then there is a fee (for example 50 pence charge if under £5 sales). If a ACQR interface like LINK use a switch not owned by them then that is another fee for processing the transaction, the same with the ISSR. And I have not even covered annual mandates that are released twice a year by VISA and MasterCard and these are mandatory.


So in short, it is highly likely a WeRe POS will connect to a PC via the net, I would not be surprised if it is not secure as I doubt WeRe bank will be using a HSM (also cost a lot of money, works with keys and encryption) and if it is encrypted it will most likely be manual meaning it is easily hack-able as the keys will be stored on the POS.

A man in the middle attack would be a piece of piss again because the security will not be thought out properly and I doubt the transaction will be to hard to parse and manipulate. I guarantee there will be no fraud protection, meaning, for example if I had access to a POS device or the IP then it would be easy to make you a Re millionaire or Re bankrupt, and I can pretty much guarantee there is no back end support, working for Re other than POE.


We had a discussion about WeRe a while back and it was proved that POE will be coming for those PROM notes on maturity.


WeRe was discussed quite a lot on the old site. I think there is a few years before those first prom notes start getting called upon, isn't it 10 years?.

Personally, I have never felt comfortable with WeRe/POE but, that is just my opinion.
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Post by LionsShare on Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:34 am

@actinglikeabanker wrote:WeRe was discussed quite a lot on the old site. I think there is a few years before those first prom notes start getting called upon, isn't it 10 years?.

Personally, I have never felt comfortable with WeRe/POE but, that is just my opinion.
What ALAB says is to a point true. There is a slight chance POE will not call in the prom note as POE did state on his web site all prom notes were underwritten. What if POE does come a-knockin’. Well there are a couple of options that all concerned may consider.

1. Write out a new prom note for (I think the prom note was for) Re. 148000 (if I remember correctly it was dual £150000/Re148000) & state your own terms & conditions – see various yt vids.

2. If you still have the account with Re148000 simply write a cheque for the full Re 148000 on plain white paper. Cheques can be written on ANY paper so long as account & other required details are present to complete the transaction.

Remember pay POE in Re because that’s what he accepts.

Research the Bills Of Exchange Act 1882 sections 42 – 43 (Dishonour by non-acceptance and its consequences) if POE refuses to accept the Re148000 then he dishonours the alleged debt & it never existed.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/45-46/61/section/43

Could rightly ask what is the definition of FIAT currency:

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/fiat-money

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"noun

money declared by a government to be legal tender though it is not convertible into standard specie
Collins English Dictionary.

fiat money in American
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currency made legal tender by fiat and neither backed by, nor necessarily convertible into, gold or silver"

also:  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_money

"Intrinsically valueless money used as money because of government decree.["

If it did go to court ask the judge what exactly is POE supposed to be paid in? Even better ask how do I pay an amount of NOTHING?

Comments invited.
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Post by QUEENISABELLA on Thu Sep 28, 2017 12:24 pm

hi all,just a quickie i am not about to start a debate with any shills that may be waiting no time for them,for three years i was paying the water bandits by a/4 and each year they added £420 to my bill until it reached £1200 they took me to northampton
business court told me i had a ccj against my name i told them i wasn,t having it ,i joined WeRe bank and sent them an LLT [cheque] the next letter i got was bill for £77.00 for the
current month i ignored that a week later i got another letter this was addressed to the occupier since then i ,ve had a letter asking if i have moved into the property yet if i answer that
letter that will mean i have contracted with them again[NO] is the answer to that.Next issue was with british gas i sent an LLT they put the dogs on me they said i had to pay i sent an LLT
they wrote to me to say thank you for paying by prom note no more said.the council were accepting them then they stopped and started giving me some b/s about the FCA there is nothing in the FCA that says WeRe bank is a fraud i,ve not heard from them for a month or more the saga continues.At the moment i am at war with my current energy supplier
when i stooped my d/d with them they threatened to send the men round to cut me off that was three months ago they now put the dogs on me and i am dealing with them at the moment
These are my exsperiances up to date you must make up your own mind .PEACE

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Post by Svetlana on Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:33 pm

"We have received numerous reports from financial institutions, councils, utility companies and other businesses that have been presented with WeRe cheques by consumers attempting to pay off their debts. None of these institutions has accepted the cheques as legitimate payment".


https://www.fca.org.uk/news/news-stories/consumer-notice-were-bank
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Post by daveiron on Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:56 pm

That link is 2 years old!

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Post by actinglikeabanker on Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:24 pm

@Society of the Spectacle wrote:This vid contains the Mistake ,
can't remember what it was just Now.
( Im still waiting for someone to ask how to stop Peter from taking their home )


If memory serves, the bit you can't remember is that the machine used to process the alleged payment was the same account number, name ect from the demo machines that can be purchased online.
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Post by actinglikeabanker on Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:33 pm

@Svetlana wrote:"We have received numerous reports from financial institutions, councils, utility companies and other businesses that have been presented with WeRe cheques by consumers attempting to pay off their debts. None of these institutions has accepted the cheques as legitimate payment".


https://www.fca.org.uk/news/news-stories/consumer-notice-were-bank

Hey,

WeRe bank does not hold deposits in a recognised currency so it does not come under the FCA's purview. WeRe bank holds Re deposits which is not a recognised currency, an example of this is bitcoin and all the talk about recognising it so that it can be controlled (for our protection of course Laughing).

The FCA is pretty much holding hands (and exchanging high level staff) with the PRA, which is a private company owned by the bank of England := http://goodf.forumotion.com/t908-the-financial-conduct-authority-fca-the-prudential-regulation-authority-pra



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Post by actinglikeabanker on Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:40 pm

@LionsShare wrote:
@actinglikeabanker wrote:WeRe was discussed quite a lot on the old site. I think there is a few years before those first prom notes start getting called upon, isn't it 10 years?.

Personally, I have never felt comfortable with WeRe/POE but, that is just my opinion.
What ALAB says is to a point true. There is a slight chance POE will not call in the prom note as POE did state on his web site all prom notes were underwritten. What if POE does come a-knockin’. Well there are a couple of options that all concerned may consider.

1. Write out a new prom note for (I think the prom note was for) Re. 148000 (if I remember correctly it was dual £150000/Re148000) & state your own terms & conditions – see various yt vids.

2. If you still have the account with Re148000 simply write a cheque for the full Re 148000 on plain white paper. Cheques can be written on ANY paper so long as account & other required details are present to complete the transaction.

Remember pay POE in Re because that’s what he accepts.

Research the Bills Of Exchange Act 1882 sections 42 – 43 (Dishonour by non-acceptance and its consequences) if POE refuses to accept the Re148000 then he dishonours the alleged debt & it never existed.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/45-46/61/section/43

Could rightly ask what is the definition of FIAT currency:

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/fiat-money

extract:

"noun

money declared by a government to be legal tender though it is not convertible into standard specie
Collins English Dictionary.

fiat money in American
US
currency made legal tender by fiat and neither backed by, nor necessarily convertible into, gold or silver"

also:  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_money

"Intrinsically valueless money used as money because of government decree.["

If it did go to court ask the judge what exactly is POE supposed to be paid in? Even better ask how do I pay an amount of NOTHING?

Comments invited.


Hey,

I don't necessarily disagree with what you are saying. When this was discussed on the old site I think we covered much of what you say above, if memory serves you may have been involved in those previous discussions.

I believe there was a video where POE said something about not coming for the prom notes, in my opinion anyone who is or has been involved with WeRe bank should take copy's of any of these statements made by POE to protect themselves as much as they can.



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Post by aarons1950 on Thu Sep 28, 2017 6:21 pm

Remember pay POE in Re because that’s what he accepts.

Peter the Conman has made it clear to all his members that he dont' take payment in Re, he only wants payment in cash. So if the Re isnt' good enough for him why would anybody else agree to be paid in it?

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Post by LionsShare on Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:35 am

@aarons1950 wrote:Remember pay POE in Re because that’s what he accepts.

Peter the Conman has made it clear to all his members that he dont' take payment in Re, he only wants payment in cash.
the origonal prom note was as described above. so with the option to pay in Re to me its obvious - do it!

@aarons1950 wrote:So if the Re isnt' good enough for him why would anybody else agree to be paid in it?
Again as the prom note was in Re then pay in Re. As POE stated when he was "offering work" all would be paid in Re so by definition WeRe bank trade in "Re" (possibly magic beans as well).
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Post by Society of the Spectacle on Fri Sep 29, 2017 1:31 pm

The Only way a Non establishment Currency will get any traction , is by starting in a small Localised community.

But as I've said before,
why cant people begin trading commodities ?

Coffee Beans , packets of TEA,
Buy a 250 Kilo sack and try paying for the small things in life by Exchange.

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Post by Jinxer on Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:52 pm

@howardappel wrote:
So let me see if I have this correct.  You use gas, you use electricity but you believe that instead of paying for these items with what society recognizes as money, you should be able to print out some magical documents which the gas/electricity/etc. vendors should be required to accept in lieu of money.

Please tell me what you do for a living and do you accept a4v as payment for your services/products/etc.?  If no, why not?

I would like to hire you, to do whatever.  I promise to pay you with a WeReBank check or with the a4v magical papers.  Is that acceptable to you? If no, why not?

Please don't dismiss my questions as those of a shill or troll.  I am seriously interested in why you believe that you are not required to pay your bills using what society considers valid money and am seriously interested in why you believe that a4v or WeReBank should be accepted.

Thank you,

Howard M. Appel

How about you telling us why we should have to pay.

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Post by Svetlana on Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:55 pm

How about you answering the questions asked?
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Post by Jinxer on Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:18 pm

@Svetlana wrote:How about you answering the questions asked?

I haven't been asked a question, so not sure what I should answer.
I have asked a question though.

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