Warrant Notification Letter

by janloot Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:11 pm

A neibour has just popped round to show me a letter just received from the postman.

It has in big bold letters - WARRANT NOTIFICATION as the heading.

Background - It is addressed to a "named person"/Occupier

The named person is unknown but the partner in the property says when asked who will be "responsible" for the gas bill he gave "a name", a bit nauty I know but all you need to give is a name of a person whom will be responsible for the bill, as we know, checks are never done and extra detauils are never requested. Bit like putting the car registered in "a name".

The address is NOT now supplied by the energy company threatening a warrant and to the bestb of my knowledge a company CAN NOT install a prepayment meter to a property they DO NOT supply!

Has anyone got ant experience of this so called Warrant Notification?

The energy company would know that they are not the property gas suppliers so I am thinking this is infact illegal to threaten to apply for a warrant in these surcumstances.

All comments welcome

by **LionsShare** Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:25 pm

For a start pre pay meters are governed by pre pay meter regs 2006, 1 for gas & 1 for leccy. If you read section 4 in each act it is by CONSENT they are installed. Please see my thread:

https://goodf.forumotion.com/t3622-down-memory-lane

it will have most of the help you require. There is something in there about stopping warrents of entry too.

This is the 1st I have heard of this type of notification. Of late tactics have been changing so everyone will ahve to be on guard. Normally you would expect court papers straight from the court. Them asking you to fill out the paperwork 1st is also strange because you would be giving up your evidence 1st. Give me some time to think.

LS

by **LionsShare** Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:41 pm

janloot: please could you supply more info such as has thier bill been paid? if so how was this done? Anything else you think may be relavent.

Please note warrants of entry are to literally enter OR H&S reasons not monetry. Please read Gas Act 1986, enter ONLY for replace pipes & fittings (replace like for like) & fix escape of gas. No where in there does it state entry over money issues. That's a big NO.

by **LionsShare** Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:54 pm

Also notice thier letter is NOT signed.

by **LionsShare** Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:18 pm

If it turns out the bill has NOT been paid at all then the warrant will be granted. There is nothing or very little that can be done legally to stop them.

by **LionsShare** Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:25 pm

(Moved to Utilities)

by **LionsShare** Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:29 pm

janloot wrote:
The address is NOT now supplied by the energy company threatening a warrant and to the bestb of my knowledge a company CAN NOT install a prepayment meter to a property they DO NOT supply!

Yes that is correct & if they knowingly do that, then it is fraud

janloot wrote:The energy company would know that they are not the property gas suppliers so I am thinking this is infact illegal to threaten to apply for a warrant in these surcumstances.

Again Yes you are correct

Please could you supply more info if you can there seems to be something missing?

by warlock Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:39 pm

hi janloot ,there is a recording about the same suspect documents that your talking about on youtube but with SSE ,might be worth a listen for you mate MARTY MORRIS SSE PART 5

by janloot Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:10 am

Hi, sorry for the reply timescale ..........

Update: this morning I got a call from my neibour telling me 2 men were at the door saying they had a warrant to fit a prepayment meter. One was n engineer the other a locksmith (metter is outside).

He showed me his Tablet on which was the electronic Digital Warrant granting permission to fit a prepay. He said it was issued on the grounds of DEBT!

I told him it can only be granted under health and safety but he said he was only there to do his job and thats all.

After I made a few phone calls and he spoke to the supplier he agreed to leave things for a few days to see what if anything could be done. It was established that green energy supply the property but the "name" responsible for the payments was not living there anymore!

Sorry for the wait to update this and for some information that was missing Embarassed

One thing stands out though & thats the grounds the warrant was requested and granted ........... DEBT and not health and safety.

Thanks for all advice

by **LionsShare** Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:04 pm

janloot wrote:He said it was issued on the grounds of DEBT!
One thing stands out though & thats the grounds the warrant was requested and granted ........... DEBT and not health and safety.

If you look at the whole of the 1986 Gas Act, & search for "rights of entry", they can ONLY enter for replacement of pipes & fittings, & fix escape of gas.

janloot wrote:I told him it can only be granted under health and safety but he said he was only there to do his job and thats all.

Tell him that's what the SS guards said at the Nuremburg trials after WW2, that was ruled in admissable.

janloot wrote:Sorry for the wait to update this and for some information that was missing

No worries.

janloot wrote:One thing stands out though & thats the grounds the warrant was requested and granted ........... DEBT and not health and safety.

Goes to show its in your face blatant FRAUD, all your neibor can do now if those meters are in is to get thier own fitted - quite costly as they will require new safety cert's, & that's for the whole installation - gas & leccy.

Look at the pre payment meter regs (2006) section 4 in each case, that type of meter is ONLY supposed to be fitted with your neibor's CONSENT. Have a good read (there is more interesting info in those acts, quite small & nothing too complicated) they should be able to get them out just as quick but in practice may prove more difficult hence go for the proffessionally "self" install meters - I do NOT mean install yourself but get it done by qualified personnel.

Links to the resg are this post, there is also alot more info in there:

https://goodf.forumotion.com/t3622-down-memory-lane

any more questions please ask.

LS

by **LionsShare** Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:08 pm

If your neibor gets new self meters installed they the utilitiy Co WILL go for another warrant to get a 2nd set of pre pay in so, with the new safety certs get to court 1st & take out an injunction to stop the utils going any further - installing that 2nd set.

You may be better off seeking legal advice at this point.

LS

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