warrant of entry - British Gas

by masterofjedi Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:27 pm

Hello there I am new to all this , so hopefully I have posted it right ! , the situation is this - ran up to debt with British Gas to the sum of £801.46 , was paying not much really about maybe £10.00 a month which I know would not get us out of trouble , I have got in touch in writing with British Gas with a offer of £60.00 a month not much I know , as we are on a low income , there come back with a no go for that as we was using£53.00 a month of gas and that would leave £7.00 for the debt , so after that we offered £70.00 a month which still a no as it would leave £17.00 for the debt , in the same letter there said there could offer a payment plan of £119.76 but realistically that would be very tight indeed , also saying there already applied for a warranty of entry on the 7th November , but on the end of the letter it says to contact them by the 12th November to discuss the step - bit late for that. Now today we got a letter addressed to the occupier of our address saying on the 7th November to install on meter , I did contact them about the payment plan but apparently the guy is busy and will contact me in a few days, the guy who I was talking said he would put a block on the account till I could get round to speaking to this person who is dealing with this problem , with assurances no one will turn up , myself I don't quite believe him at all. I just wanted to know what the next step would be , whether I was wrong to contact them or not , I have seen videos on you tube that say there can't install a meter without our permission I don't know if that would work out for us or not , I hope some one can help !

by **Mrblue2015** Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:08 pm

Welcome masterofjedi!

(Moving your post to the ‘Utilities’ section)

by **Lopsum** Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:23 pm

ask which grounds the warrant was applied for!

by **LionsShare** Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:26 pm

1st off sorry to hear of your plight.

Perhaps other mods on here could step in & give more advice regarding re-payment plans than I can. You are correct IMO to offer a payment plan & may be, I say may be because am not too sure about that; they have to accept as that is all you can realistically afford. Perhaps offer a lower sum down to say £20 because that's ALL you can afford. The fact there is a block on your account is good because it will give some breathing space.

Regarding pre pay meters:

2006 Gas Prepay Meter Regs:
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2006/2011/pdfs/uksi_20062011_en.pdf

2006 Electric Prepay Meter Regs:
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2006/2010/pdfs/uksi_20062010_en.pdf

its section 4 in each. Basically state the same to the affect: any meters installed can be taken out as if the agreement had never been made.

If you read the legislation carefully you should see just that. There is however a down side in that once those meters are in, they are very difficult to get out. You would have to pay a private installer to do your own which you are entitled to; but that opens a new can of worms.

Reading the legislation would give the impression & quite righlty so they are suppose to ask you for permission to install but they FORCE them in & as per the last paragraph getting them out....

Pre pay meters are I think for Commercial Customers & not for domestic (reading that listed legislation above) but we are treated as commercial & should not be.

I hope this has been of some help, please feel free to read the utilities section & please ask questions:

https://goodf.forumotion.com/f42-utilities

LS

by **LionsShare** Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:28 pm

If they have been corresponding to you with your name & now to "the occupier" it is essentially establishing joinder or to confirm you are still there.

by **LionsShare** Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:32 pm

this thread may help:

https://goodf.forumotion.com/t3723-waterbill

by **LionsShare** Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:36 pm

After having a good think about this, Lopsum is correct, as you have been making efforts to pay through a pay plan then ask why are they going for warrent of entry?

by masterofjedi Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:45 pm

LionsShare wrote:After having a good think about this, Lopsum is correct, as you have been making efforts to pay through a pay plan then ask why are they going for warrent of entry?

being new to this I presume the warranty of entry is for non payment ,as I have as mentioned I been paying £10.00 a month for a few months in hoping there would see I am paying something as a goodwill gesture , I guess it didn't work , should I ask what the warranty of entry is for ? sorry for being a total airhead on all this

by masterofjedi Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:59 pm

LionsShare wrote:this thread may help:

https://goodf.forumotion.com/t3723-waterbill

many thanks for your help I hope we can win Sad

by **daveiron** Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:01 pm

Hi, Just a few thoughts . looking at the gas regs LS has posted above. Sec 4 (d) they set the amount
based on the customers ability to pay that amount. Presumably they must get you to complete an income
& expenditure statement & (e) you have agreed to that amount.
If they set it at an amount you cannot afford .Do not agree to it .
Also are there any in the house classed as vulnerable? children, someone with a disability.

Also under no circumstancies allow them to install any type of smart meter.

by masterofjedi Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:08 pm

daveiron wrote:Hi, Just a few thoughts . looking at the gas regs LS has posted above. Sec 4 (d) they set the amount
based on the customers ability to pay that amount. Presumably they must get you to complete an income
& expenditure statement & (e) you have agreed to that amount.
If they set it at an amount you cannot afford .Do not agree to it .
Also are there any in the house classed as vulnerable? children, someone with a disability.

Also under no circumstancies allow them to install any type of smart meter.

Hi there , no we have not filled in a income form , in fact I did ask if there could send me one but it was brushed under carpet , and yes we would not agree to any amount we could not afford , there is no vulnerable persons in house , and our son is 18 and at college full time and we would not agree to a smart meter anyway - definitely not , thank you for the info much appreciated

by **daveiron** Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:24 pm

Ok, just read that section of the act .

by **daveiron** Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:32 pm

The question regarding the warrant is because very often they commit perjury by claiming for it under the
1974 (think thats the right date) Gas Act ,which is only for safety reasons and the only way they
can force entry ,magistrates being as corrupt as the rest of the system will just sign off on this as
they cannot force entry for a debt.

by masterofjedi Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:43 pm

daveiron wrote:The question regarding the warrant is because very often they commit perjury by claiming for it under the
1974 (think thats the right date) Gas Act ,which is only for safety reasons and the only way they
can force entry ,magistrates being as corrupt as the rest of the system will just sign off on this as
they cannot force entry for a debt.

Hello there I do more or less understand the act what you pointed out , and as for the warranty we know about there use of the health and safety act , should we ask and fill in a income form , as the payment we offered is reasonable to us plus we pay the debt off , as we don't want a pay as you go meter fitted , thank you again and sorry for all the questions

by **daveiron** Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:01 pm

If filling in an income form will be to your advantage ,by all means do it .The act clearly states
"What you can afford "

by masterofjedi Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:39 pm

daveiron wrote:If filling in an income form will be to your advantage ,by all means do it .The act clearly states
"What you can afford "

right I guess I will have to see if there contact me in a few days and ask some questions like what is the warranty for etc , its a minefield all this , many thanks for your help

by **LionsShare** Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:04 am

masterofjedi wrote:
LionsShare wrote:After having a good think about this, Lopsum is correct, as you have been making efforts to pay through a pay plan then ask why are they going for warrent of entry?

being new to this I presume the warranty of entry is for non payment ,as I have as mentioned I been paying £10.00 a month for a few months in hoping there would see I am paying something as a goodwill gesture , I guess it didn't work , should I ask what the warranty of entry is for ? sorry for being a total airhead on all this

YEs YES without doubt

by **LionsShare** Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:06 am

warrants of entry come under the 1954 gas & electric (boards) 1954 act for health & safety ONLY. Read the 1986 gas act they can ONLY enter to fix pipes, fittings & escape of gas - where does it state they can enter over money issues?

by **daveiron** Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:29 am

Yes 1954 act not 1974

by masterofjedi Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:37 am

LionsShare wrote:
masterofjedi wrote:
LionsShare wrote:After having a good think about this, Lopsum is correct, as you have been making efforts to pay through a pay plan then ask why are they going for warrent of entry?

being new to this I presume the warranty of entry is for non payment ,as I have as mentioned I been paying £10.00 a month for a few months in hoping there would see I am paying something as a goodwill gesture , I guess it didn't work , should I ask what the warranty of entry is for ? sorry for being a total airhead on all this
YEs YES without doubt

I will indeed question that , thank you !

by masterofjedi Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:40 am

daveiron wrote:Yes 1954 act not 1974

thank you for that !

by **LionsShare** Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:45 am

please come back & lets us know how you get on.

If I could make it go away for all I would.

by masterofjedi Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:29 pm

LionsShare wrote:please come back & lets us know how you get on.

If I could make it go away for all I would.

thank you that and your kind words , in a ideal world everything would be free , I let you know how we get on x

by masterofjedi Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:46 pm

masterofjedi wrote:
LionsShare wrote:please come back & lets us know how you get on.

If I could make it go away for all I would.

thank you that and your kind words , in a ideal world everything would be free , I let you know how we get on x

Hello there , having me and my husband talked to the guy about payment , there still refused offer of £70.00 a month as I mentioned before £17.00 of that would pay the debt off , he was insisted on installing a meter and there give out warrants every single day and what was the problem with it , as you pay the debt and if you have no gas to use there would be no more debt , asked what the warrant was for and surprise , surprise it was for the money , I said you can't get a warrant for that which he mumbled he didn't know the legal stuff and police would be contacted to keep the peace , which the police can not do anything anyway , not the result we wanted or hoped for ,what would be next step be if any , can there get actual warrant for installing a meter , and warrant of access , we have been looking at a4v would that work or is that too late for us , as we need a paper bill for that ? any help would great as it is stressing me out , oh my husband talked to the supervisor with the same result

by **daveiron** Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:36 pm

Did you record him saying the warrant is for the debt ? If you did you now have evidence of perjury
if they obtain a warrant under the 1954 Gas Act, that is a serious offense.
Please read the first link Lions Share posted ; 2006 Gas Prepay Meter regs and quote to them
section 4, paragraph (4) (d)& (e) Its the law . You need to ask them 'when and on what basis did they
calculate what you could afford ? and when did you agree to that amount'
I presume you have a current gas safety certificate.

Please be aware ,not only for this but for anything official now or in the future .Inform everyone
you only deal with matters in writing ,and make no exceptions.

As soon as you can when this is sorted change your supplier ,there are many a lot cheaper tham BG.

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