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still thinking of getting jabbed?
https://theexpose.uk/2021/10/10/comparison-reports-proves-vaccinated-developing-ade/

Latest UK PHE Vaccine Surveillance Report figures on Covid cases show that doubly vaccinated 40-70 year olds have lost 40% of their immune system capability compared to unvaccinated people. Their immune systems are deteriorating at around 5% per week (between 2.7% and 8.7%). If this continues then 30-50 year olds will have 100% immune system degradation, zero viral defence by Christmas and all doubly vaccinated people over 30 will have lost their immune systems by March next year.

By a concerned reader

The 5 PHE tables below from their excellent Vaccine Surveillance Report, separated by 4 weeks, clearly show the progressive damage that the vaccines are doing to the immune system’s response.

People aged 40-69 have already lost 40% of their immune system capability and are losing it progressively at 3.3% to 6.4% per week.

please read to the end of the link above!

Very, very concerning.

I can't work out how they draw conclusions about the "entire immune system" purely by making calculations from COVID-19 figures.

Although the figures themselves are strange, I mean the actual PHE figures. For some age groups they  show something like a 60% higher rate of infection among vaccinated, but 85% lower for either hospitalisation or death. Could the vaccine actually cause a greater susceptibility to the disease in a mild form, while simultaneously preventing it becoming serious?

use the correct terms, when you say rate of infection you actually mean number of positive test results . It all hinges on that in reality. Now its not science at all but just a number game.
Another thing is the patented strain of covid has "reduced immune response". Funnily enough this is what we see with the actual covid.
(So healthy people will not fight off the disease but become a spreader which insures a greater spread and of course as result infecting more vulnerable people who still die.)

https://patents.justia.com/patent/10130701

Covid has never been isolated or purified. All they have done is weaponise seasonal flu along with 24/7 trauma based mind control and targeted economic chaos. Remember when Public Health England said they'd ceased counting Flu cases as of November 2020? People need to look into the huge falsehoods in the prevailing Germ Theory and how contagion has never been proven in any study. Flu is due to toxemia. It's the natural process of the body detoxing itself which is generally triggered when the seasonal temperature drops. The fact that many get it at the same time gives the illusion of contagion.

Here's a video explanation of what's really going on in the body:

https://odysee.com/@spacebusters:c9/Germs-Debunk-corona:1

Nice one mitch - The Germ Theory is incorrect

its just not been proven absolutely, neither has terrain theory .
You can choose to believe either, if you want, or you can think one more probable than the other but you cant claim either as fact unless you create a decisive experiment that rules out any other conclusion.
It doesnt debunk corona unless you have traded one belief for another.
Its a mute argument and a fallacy as it is beyond your scope of reasoning therefore an appeal to authority, you haven't collected any of the data or done any of the science, just read or watched something someone else did and chose to believe that.
Its called hypocrisy !

Are you Lopsum assuming there are only 2 possibilities - Germ Theory and Terrain Theory? i have my own ideas what's going on, and those 2 Spacebusters men put out brilliant videos.

nope ,just pointing out some hypocrisy , with the aim of promoting critical thinking skills .

those 2 Spacebusters men put out brilliant videos

if you like flatearth and tartaria contrived rubbish i guess its great.
But you have to see their youtube channel, they seem to hide it all on odysee despite it being able to load every video automatically. (read on purpose ! It seems like they are taking advantage of the covid narratives too,seems like a 77 brigade type channel i guess they will slip the other rubbish in when they get popular on odysee too.)

Lopsum wrote:use the correct terms, when you say rate of infection you actually mean number of positive test results

Yes sorry, I wasn't complete comfortable with the way I put it, but it seemed clumsy to write "number of positive test results per 100,000 of the relevant population".  But yes you're completely correct, it's test results being counted at that stage, not actual sick people.

mitch wrote:Covid has never been isolated or purified

Isolation and characterization of SARS-CoV-2 from the first US COVID-19 patient (Mar 2020)
SARS-CoV-2 Viral Culturing at CDC
Isolation and characterization of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 in Turkey
Isolation and Full-Length Genome Characterization of SARS-CoV-2 from COVID-19 Cases in Northern Italy
SARS-CoV-2 isolation from the first reported patients in Brazil
Isolation and rapid sharing of the 2019 novel coronavirus (SARS‐CoV‐2) from the first patient diagnosed with COVID‐19 in Australia

I expect it to be claimed that these result from a world-wide conspiracy compelling every scientist and establishment to fabricate results.

It seems strange to me that every FOI world wide when asked to provide
independant peer reviewed evidence of the seperation & purification of this
alleged virus comes back with the same result that they cannot provide and
do hold that information. Could it be the word independant that is causing the
problem ? Most of your links are based on information provided by China, you
know the same country that provided videos of people walking along and suddenly
dropping like a stone, i have not seen any evidence of this happening anywhere
else since. Could it be that the squads of brave men whos job it is to clear the
streets of all the dead bodies are so efficient and quick it never gets recorded
by any cctv or any one with a recording device.
You are of course right FF that governments would never lie or indeed never
have in the past . We should all follow their great wisdom and leadership that
has served the planet so well in the past.That is of course if you ignore every
war where countless millions have been butchered . To point out that its always
to the benefit of the same group would of course just be a conspiracy would it
not ?

flyingfish wrote:

mitch wrote:Covid has never been isolated or purified

I expect it to be claimed that these result from a world-wide conspiracy compelling every scientist and establishment to fabricate results.

FF for me its the bit you state 'compelling every scientist and establishment to fabricate results', of course that's what must be going on, isn't it?

Please read what DI posted above & is replicated here.

daveiron wrote:It seems strange to me that every FOI world wide when asked to provide independant peer reviewed evidence of the seperation & purification of this alleged virus comes back with the same result that they cannot  provide and do hold that information.

FF it must stand to reason does it not if there is no proof of CV19 being provided for independant research establishments or FOI, there is NO CV19, it simply does not exist in people?

Your thoughts FF?

LionsShare wrote:Your thoughts FF?

I swithered about replying, and I'm aware it may be a waste of time, or get me banned, but never mind here we go..

So the FOI requests, I don't know if you were referring to a particular one, but maybe you could quote it if what say doesn't apply.  The FOI that I have seen have spelled out a particular document that they want to see, describing a process for isolation that may be applicable to bacteria but is definitely not applicable to a virus. In many the request is directed to an agency which wouldn't hold information of this nature in any case. On that same basis I am sure I could prove the Diesel engine doesn't exist, or craft a request to the Ministry of Agriculture to prove cows don't exist. It's just a really bad way of trying to gain information. I don't know if the original author was just ignorant of the science and of how FOI works, or whether he deliberately structured the request to make sure he'd get a "not held" response.

You are of course right FF that governments would never lie

That is creating a false dichotomy, the only possibilities being (1) governments never lie or (2) there's a worldwide conspiracy involving every government and every scientific establishment.

Most of your links are based on information provided by China

Most of the early material of course came from China, although I don't see any reference to information from China in any of those papers. Taking them in order (1) and (2) refer to work done in the US, (3) from Turkey (4) Italy (5) Brazil and (6) Australia.  If you think any of these repeat information provided by China rather than the authors' own findings, maybe you could point the specific bits.

As I say, this may all be a waste of my time but then again maybe people whose minds are not completely closed might actually read some of the science for themselves. I am aware that there are probably no scientists in this group, but for example the difference between bacteria and viruses is only A Level stuff and educational material is readily available.

A quick 5 min search produced these;

https://rightsfreedoms.wordpress.com/2021/06/28/cdc-now-admits-no-gold-standard-for-the-isolation-for-any-virus/

https://www.johnccarleton.org/BLOGGER/2021/08/07/written-proof-cdc-has-no-isolated-purified-sample-of-sars-cov-2-virus-that-causes-covid-19/

https://forlifeonearth.weebly.com/proof-the-sars-cov-2-virus-does-not-exist.html

flyingfish wrote:I could prove the Diesel engine doesn't exist,

C'mon FF I CAN prove diesel engines exist, I have 1 in my car!

Everyone I know who has taken that stuff are testing positive and ill, same with those who wore the ritual muzzle who were testing positive all last year. Sat with one of them yesterday and they said if it wasn't for the magic potion they would be so much worse.

I pointed out that I have not taken the potion and I feel fine, gave them a big kiss on the cheek also. Not tested positive once, won't take a fake test, not playing the game.

Maybe after their 50th booster they will realize that it is not a vaccine.

alab wrote:Maybe after their 50th booster they will realize that it is not a vaccine.

Its very possible for most of the believers they will never live long enough to get to take thier beloved jabbee jab?

daveiron wrote:A quick 5 min search produced these;
https://rightsfreedoms.wordpress.com/2021/06/28/cdc-now-admits-no-gold-standard-for-the-isolation-for-any-virus/
https://www.johnccarleton.org/BLOGGER/2021/08/07/written-proof-cdc-has-no-isolated-purified-sample-of-sars-cov-2-virus-that-causes-covid-19/
https://forlifeonearth.weebly.com/proof-the-sars-cov-2-virus-does-not-exist.html

That's just exactly the same as every other FOI making the same claim. It's quite simple. Viruses can't reproduce without host cells, that has been known for around 100 years.  So no matter who you ask, they will not have a document explaining how they've cultured viruses other than by using cells.  I note the first link claims to have proved that no viruses of any sort exist, using the same so-called logic.

I think this FOI idea has been so widely parroted now that there can be no doubt it's being done deliberately, the people doing this are perfectly aware it's a stupid request and will never get anything but an "information not held" response.

LionsShare wrote:

flyingfish wrote:I could prove the Diesel engine doesn't exist,

C'mon FF I CAN prove diesel engines exist, I have 1 in my car!

Let's say I sent a FOI to Dept of Transport, asking for any documentation comparing emissions from Diesel engines while running in a vacuum, using NGK vs Champion spark plugs. And let's say they reply that they have no such document.

No documentation has been produced in any court when it has
been required as evidence.The answer is always the same 'we have
no evidence'.

flyingfish wrote:

LionsShare wrote:

flyingfish wrote:I could prove the Diesel engine doesn't exist,

C'mon FF I CAN prove diesel engines exist, I have 1 in my car!

Let's say I sent a FOI to Dept of Transport, asking for any documentation comparing emissions from Diesel engines while running in a vacuum, using NGK vs Champion spark plugs. And let's say they reply that they have no such document.

FF spark plugs are in electrically assisted combustion engines.

FF when you get a bill for the electricity used in your electrically assisted combustion engine please bear this thread in mind, its important. Remember you FF will be the holder in due course.
https://goodf.forumotion.com/t5119-deciding-what-to-do

flyingfish wrote:I think this FOI idea has been so widely parroted now that there can be no doubt it's being done deliberately, the people doing this are perfectly aware it's a stupid request and will never get anything but an "information not held" response.

Having another look at the first one it's even more blatant. They refer to "Rivers" as a standard for isolation of viruses, I don't know how authoritative that is but according to their blog it refers to "cultivation of virus in host cells" which is exactly how viruses are cultured.  However in the FOI they are crowing about this is not mentioned. It only requests (demands actually) documentation describing isolation of the virus without combining with any other genetic material, and specifically says they do not want to see anything describing results from culturing in cell cultures.

I think this is pretty definite. They refer to a plausible method of culturing viruses, but then refuse to accept any evidence using that method. This must be deliberate deceit on the blogger's part rather than ignorance.

I should add that the basics of virology, and differences between a virus and a bacterium are around A Level standard.  Not everyone studied biology to that level of course, but educational material is available for those who actually want to learn.  I would also say that those who haven't reached that level of knowledge, either through their education or by recent study, are not well placed to read mainstream scientific papers and decide they know better than the authors.