Government text alert controll

by freeland Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:33 pm

Hello,ok guys i was talking to a friend of mine who works at an air port and they all got a letter saying the uk government will be sending a text alert to every uk mobile phone in the uk and there will be test of the system on sunday the 19/3/23 at between 1700hrs and 1900hrs,they say they will start to provide information on the system via media outlets,the system will use all mobile networks to provide alerts.haveing recived a text you will have to acknowledg it to clear your phone for normal use,but it does not track you in any way (yea right),so im guessing its controll by text through fear pon lies what to do what not to do ect ect ect the list is endless,they also said its to provide information on chemicl spills floods bad weather ect.ps oh and you can opt out if you want

by **daveiron** Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:42 pm

Without 'smart phones' their system & plans cannot work.The addiction
people have with these is unbelievable.

by **assassin** Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:39 am

I have a good old over 20 year old Nokia I keep alive and it is as good as the day I bought it and it isn't a smart phone.

You can opt out but it requires your name, address, phone number and Email address to register to opt out, note the word REGISTER.

by flyingfish Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:46 pm

More detail here, although as this is all new I expect it's subject to change. With that caveat, it will only work in Apple or Android smart phones running pretty recent software.
https://www.gov.uk/alerts/how-alerts-work

I had a quick look on an IPhone, running software Saud to be compatible. The two settings are both already Off, i don't know if that's by default.

by **daveiron** Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:07 pm

assassin wrote:I have a good old over 20 year old Nokia I keep alive and it is as good as the day I bought it and it isn't a smart phone.

You can opt out but it requires your name, address, phone number and Email address to register to opt out, note the word REGISTER.

Could always try putting your MPs details instead of your own.

by flyingfish Sun Mar 19, 2023 3:24 pm

assassin wrote:You can opt out but it requires your name, address, phone number and Email address to register to opt out, note the word REGISTER.

Do you have a link for that? All the info that I've seen suggests you opt out with a phone setting. In addition the technical detail, such as it is, suggests a broadcast rather than individual messages, so its not clear how an opt-out could work. A cynic might suspect another reason for collecting personal details.

by **daveiron** Sun Mar 19, 2023 6:41 pm

by flyingfish Sun Mar 19, 2023 9:42 pm

That's the option I found on one IPhone, "Seting / Notifications" and it's right at the bottom. The first phone I checked both were already Off, the other iphone didn't have the settings at all (maybe too old).

It also seems like disabling mobile data would block these as they're sent as data rather than SMS.

Maybe we could see what happens on 23rd and compare notes.

by **assassin** Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:16 am

flyingfish wrote:
assassin wrote:You can opt out but it requires your name, address, phone number and Email address to register to opt out, note the word REGISTER.
Do you have a link for that? All the info that I've seen suggests you opt out with a phone setting. In addition the technical detail, such as it is, suggests a broadcast rather than individual messages, so its not clear how an opt-out could work. A cynic might suspect another reason for collecting personal details.

Currently you can opt out with your phone settings with most phone software and newer phones are not having the same options to opt out built into the phone as this will become the back door into your phone the Government wants as more and more people use a phone for shopping and making cashless payments of low amounts and this means they can see every transaction you undertake and they can do away with money and go totally digital. Once they have triggered your phonr it locates that phone to a specific mast and if they triangulate it they have your location to within 2 metres and know exactly where you are and once in your phone they can collect nearly all your data.

by **assassin** Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:18 am

flyingfish wrote:That's the option I found on one IPhone, "Seting / Notifications" and it's right at the bottom. The first phone I checked both were already Off, the other iphone didn't have the settings at all (maybe too old).

It also seems like disabling mobile data would block these as they're sent as data rather than SMS.

Maybe we could see what happens on 23rd and compare notes.

You may note that Microsoft are sending out trending messages with links to news items and this is with notificatios switched off meaning they have already got around it.

by flyingfish Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:38 am

assassin wrote:You may note that Microsoft are sending out trending messages with links to news items and this is with notificatios switched off meaning they have already got around it.

How are these being sent, I've never had anything like that from Microsoft? Actually that has a bit of a whiff of hoax about it. A lot of those hoax news stories quote a big name to try and lend credence. So I'm going to class that as "probably untrue" unless I see some technical explanation of of such alerts could be sent.

Edit - Maybe if it was a Microsoft phone, or if you have installed a MS application, or are logged into a MS account. But those are different and unrelated matters.

by flyingfish Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:49 am

assassin wrote:Once they have triggered your phonr it locates that phone to a specific mast and if they triangulate it they have your location to within 2 metres and know exactly where you are and once in your phone they can collect nearly all your data.

The alerts we're speaking about use a strictly a one way broadcast mechanism. Theres no way that information can be pulled from individual phones.Technically the mast could report back a list of phones connected to the mast at the time. But they could do that any way, the alert doesn't add anything in that respect.

If there's going to be a test alert in April then that will answer some questions, for example whether older phones are unable to receive, or unable to opt out.

by **assassin** Wed Mar 22, 2023 3:28 am

You have to confirm the alert before it switches off and this is two way.

by freeland Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:06 pm

if thease text alerts can disable a mobile phone then im thinking the govnerment can use this techknowledgy to disable phones at say mass gatherings rallies ect

by **daveiron** Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:21 pm

I dont think it affects the 2G phones ,thats what i have.
the smart phone i have is only ever used as a camera,nothing else.
It spends its whole time in a Faraday bag

by flyingfish Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:42 am

assassin wrote:You have to confirm the alert before it switches off and this is two way.

That's purely within the phone, not transmitted back.

by flyingfish Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:47 am

freeland wrote:if thease text alerts can disable a mobile phone then im thinking the govnerment can use this techknowledgy to disable phones at say mass gatherings rallies ect

It doesn't exactly disable the phone, but the phone won't be usable until the user acknowledges the alert. So yes they'd be out of action, but only for a few seconds.

by flyingfish Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:51 am

daveiron wrote:I dont think it affects the 2G phones ,thats what i have.
the smart phone i have is only ever used as a camera,nothing else.
It spends its whole time in a Faraday bag

That's correct it relies on 4G or 5G. Also won't work if mobile data is switched off in the phone's settings or the phone is in "aeroplane mode"

Do you have a SIM in your camera smart phone?

by **daveiron** Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:05 am

No sim in the smart phone .
Alert. It gets a mention here

by flyingfish Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:14 am

daveiron wrote:No sim in the smart phone

I'm going to test with a few phones on 23rd. I can lay my hands on three, so was thinking leave one enabled just to see what exactly happens, one is on older software, and one will have alerts switched Off in it's settings. I am reasonably sure a phone without a SIM won't be affected.

by **daveiron** Fri Mar 24, 2023 2:48 pm

I was just watching about this on richard vobes & funkypreppers channels
and they have just disappeared.
They were both saying to check your phone if you have turned of notifications
because when they looked both were turned on again.

by **assassin** Mon Mar 27, 2023 3:47 am

Not only can they turn them on they can also listen to your phone and more is to come about this in the coming months as the software and hardware work together or seperately and at the current time it is thought most is coming in through advertising and I await the evidence currently.

by flyingfish Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:54 pm

I think a few things are being mixed up, and generally confused. The government alerts being discussed are purely a one-way broadcast. A message is sent to the cell and forwarded on using the "Cell Broadcast" function. Nothing is sent back to the originator from the recipient phones and it is entirely up to each phone as to how it behaves in response. For reasons known only to themselves the UK givernment have chosen this method rather than SMS broadcast and they've chosen to limit it to 4G. Taken together these mean only compatible smart phones can receive the alert.

by flyingfish Sun Apr 23, 2023 4:33 pm

None of my test phones received the alert, so I'm not sure what to conclude from that. I didn't expect my own would, as I keep it locked down, the other family phone runs older software. But the spare phone with a buckshee PAYG phone was just on default settings and up to date software. It should have gone off.

by pitano1 Sun Apr 23, 2023 8:28 pm

assassin wrote:Not only can they turn them on they can also listen to your phone and more is to come about this in the coming months as the software and hardware work together or seperately and at the current time it is thought most is coming in through advertising and I await the evidence currently.

One thing is...for sure, as someone famously said.
THERE are NO MISTAKES IN POLITICS.

So regardless of whether the alarm worked/or not...IT WAS DONE FOR A [NEFARIOUSE] REASON.
A census.?
You tell me.

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