Electric meter

by Sharpysparky Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:45 pm

Hi all, right so I bought an analogue meter off ebay so I could get rid of the smart meter, which I’m lead to believe is my property, I also changed suppliers, so once swapped over I called my new supplier(not one of the big six!) to inform them and to give a new meter reading and at the same time give them an old meter reading as they had came to read the meter just over a week ago, they wanted info off the old meter and the new meter which I had but today they now want the details of who fitted it, they did not ask nor did I tell them it was a second hand meter bought by myself, I dont see the relevance that they need this info, its not like I have just removed a meter and joined the wires and getting free electric, even though we shouldn’t be paying for it!!!

Any thoughts??

Be lucky
SS

by **daveiron** Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:36 pm

Just wondering was it refurbished & zeroed ? Hope you got it fitted by a
registered electrician & have proof of such. in which i cant see there being a problem.

by **LionsShare** Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:56 pm

OK just a quick 1, DI is correct, refurbished & zeroed & so long as it is fitted certainly by an electrician who has thier 'part B' (I have heard on the grape vine) then all should be OK, part B is recognised craft qualification - either approved of full electrician, part C is full Technician's Cert', after that its ONC/D then HNC/D Electrical Engineering, then possibly on to Degree, Masters, PHD & ........

If its fitted by NICEIC electrician that's the dogs balls.

LS

by **LionsShare** Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:06 pm

as a side note, those thinking of embarking down the 'utilities road' becareful, these scum are now going for charging orders on property for a debt that does NOT exist!

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by Sharpysparky Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:09 pm

daveiron wrote:Just wondering was it refurbished & zeroed ? Hope you got it fitted by a
registered electrician & have proof of such. in which i cant see there being a problem.

Cheers DI, it was zeroed but dont think refurbished, it was fitted by an electrician and he’s pal will come round to cert it after the weekend

Be lucky
SS

by Sharpysparky Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:12 pm

LionsShare wrote:OK just a quick 1, DI is correct, refurbished & zeroed & so long as it is fitted certainly by an electrician who has thier 'part B' (I have heard on the grape vine) then all should be OK, part B is recognised craft qualification - either approved of full electrician, part C is full Technician's Cert', after that its ONC/D then HNC/D Electrical Engineering, then possibly on to Degree, Masters, PHD & ........

If its fitted by NICEIC electrician that's the dogs balls.

LS

Hi LS,
Yea fitted by a sparky cert to be done after the weekend by he’s pal
Not sure what letters after his name but as you say as long as its part b or c should all be good

Be lucky
SS

by Sharpysparky Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:18 pm

LionsShare wrote:as a side note, those thinking of embarking down the 'utilities road' becareful, these scum are now going for charging orders on property for a debt that does NOT exist!

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Wow yea thats just happened with me!
We were with BG and on payg smart meters, they were here when we moved in so kept them more for staying in control of our finances whilst doing major refurb work, since we left the robbing b*
stards they have sent us a final bill!!!!! Er hang on it was payg so how can there be a debt!? We ran out of credit a few times n the house went into darkness and the boiler switched off, we never used the emergency function (dont even know if there was an option) we just topped up, reset the meters and away we went so how can there be a debt? I just endorsed and sent em back see what happens, they cant cut us off as we aint with em no more so all they can do is the money claim root via the courts and I am ready to deal with that.

SS

by **LionsShare** Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:47 pm

please read section10 sub 2 Gas Act 1986, we ALL have the legal right to be connected to the gas supply.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1986/44/section/10

Subject to the provisions of this Part and any regulations made under those provisions, a [F2gas transporter] shall, on being required to do so by the owner or occupier of any premises to which this subsection applies—

(a)in the case of premises falling within paragraph (a) of subsection (1) above, connect the premises to the relevant main, and supply and lay any pipe that may be necessary for that purpose; and

(b)in the case of premises falling within paragraph (b) of that subsection, connect the premises to the relevant main by the pipe there mentioned;

and in the following provisions of this section “connect”, in relation to any premises, means connect to a relevant main of a [F2gas transporter] and “connection” shall be construed accordingly.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1989/29/section/16, we ALL have the legal right to be connected to the leccy supply.

Duty to connect on request.

(1)An electricity distributor is under a duty—

(a)to make a connection between a distribution system of his and any premises, when required to do so by—

(i)the owner or occupier of the premises; or

(ii)an authorised supplier acting with the consent of the owner or occupier of the premises,

for the purpose of enabling electricity to be conveyed to or from the premises;

by flyingfish Fri Jun 25, 2021 6:56 pm

LionsShare wrote:please read section10 sub 2 Gas Act 1986, we ALL have the legal right to be connected to the gas supply.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1986/44/section/10

I certainly wish that was the case, but without even reading the Act it clearly isn't, given that there are plenty of areas where there is simply no gas supply at all. I had a sort of fantasy idea of demanding that British Gas run 16 miles of pipe to connect us for example. However actually reading the act you see the limits of where that duty applies, it applies only if you're within a supplier's "authorised area", and either within 23m of their existing pipes or with the ability to run your own pipe.

0 Duty to connect certain premises.
(1)Subsection (2) below applies to any premises in an authorised area of a [F2gas transporter] which—
(a)are situated within 23 metres from a relevant main of the transporter; or
(b)could be connected to any such main by a pipe supplied and laid, or proposed to be supplied and laid, by the owner or occupier of the premises.

In the context of this thread it's probably more relevant to consider the right to remain connected, for people lucky enough to fall within those definitions.

by Sharpysparky Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:37 pm

flyingfish wrote:
LionsShare wrote:please read section10 sub 2 Gas Act 1986, we ALL have the legal right to be connected to the gas supply.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1986/44/section/10
I certainly wish that was the case, but without even reading the Act it clearly isn't, given that there are plenty of areas where there is simply no gas supply at all. I had a sort of fantasy idea of demanding that British Gas run 16 miles of pipe to connect us for example. However actually reading the act you see the limits of where that duty applies, it applies only if you're within a supplier's "authorised area", and either within 23m of their existing pipes or with the ability to run your own pipe.
0 Duty to connect certain premises.
(1)Subsection (2) below applies to any premises in an authorised area of a [F2gas transporter] which—
(a)are situated within 23 metres from a relevant main of the transporter; or
(b)could be connected to any such main by a pipe supplied and laid, or proposed to be supplied and laid, by the owner or occupier of the premises.

In the context of this thread it's probably more relevant to consider the right to remain connected, for people lucky enough to fall within those definitions.

So hopefully they cant cut me off as I am already connected, what do you think the worse they can do to me? Ive not done anything to gain free electric and the meter I bought was clearly a household one, ive seen many people do it but like always they never report the down side

Be lucky
SS

by **LionsShare** Sat Jun 26, 2021 8:13 am

SS,

TBH they should NOT be trying to hold anyone to ransome by installing pre pay, in my thread 'down memory lane' in utils section there are links to the pre pay meter regs 2006, 1 each for gas & leccy, in there it should be by negociation & then remove as though the agreement/contract to have pre pay had never been made. Nothing about THEM having the right to force any wo/man to have pre pay.

The worst they can do is force you to have pre pay but then as you have safety certs just get your self 2 new home meters & off you go again.

Quickly before they go for yet another warrant of entry go to court yourself & enter a claim to stop them. You have your sffety certs & certs for compliance of meters from the re-manufacturer show the court & get an injunction to stop further warrants of entry.

LS

by Sharpysparky Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:49 am

LionsShare wrote:SS,

TBH they should NOT be trying to hold anyone to ransome by installing pre pay, in my thread 'down memory lane' in utils section there are links to the pre pay meter regs 2006, 1 each for gas & leccy, in there it should be by negociation & then remove as though the agreement/contract to have pre pay had never been made. Nothing about THEM having the right to force any wo/man to have pre pay.

The worst they can do is force you to have pre pay but then as you have safety certs just get your self 2 new home meters & off you go again.

Quickly before they go for yet another warrant of entry go to court yourself & enter a claim to stop them. You have your sffety certs & certs for compliance of meters from the re-manufacturer show the court & get an injunction to stop further warrants of entry.

LS

Thanks LS, my new supplier does not supply or install any meters, when I decided to go with them I stated I do not want a smart meter of any kind and that was their response, so I have no worries that BG will apply for warrants as I am no longer with them

Be lucky
SS

by flyingfish Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:23 pm

Sharpysparky wrote:So hopefully they cant cut me off as I am already connected, what do you think the worse they can do to me? Ive not done anything to gain free electric and the meter I bought was clearly a household one, ive seen many people do it but like always they never report the down side

Why do you think they'll try to do anything? I don't think you stated why you wanted to fit your own meter, but if the supplier is happy for you to have done so, and have accepted your meter readings, then they should be happy. Unless they're claiming some unpaid bill or something.

by Sharpysparky Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:43 pm

flyingfish wrote:
Sharpysparky wrote:So hopefully they cant cut me off as I am already connected, what do you think the worse they can do to me? Ive not done anything to gain free electric and the meter I bought was clearly a household one, ive seen many people do it but like always they never report the down side
Why do you think they'll try to do anything? I don't think you stated why you wanted to fit your own meter, but if the supplier is happy for you to have done so, and have accepted your meter readings, then they should be happy. Unless they're claiming some unpaid bill or something.

FF, I was previously with BG, on prepay with smart meters, obviously not my choice but as we needed to do lots n lots of renovation work we suffered it, we decided to change supplier (not one of the big six!) so I bought a meter off ebay that was zeroed and had a sparky mate of mine to fit it, he couldnt cert it but his pal can, I contacted my new supplier to give em the readings from old meter and new meter as they had been to read the old one just over a week ago, then I get an email asking for pictures of new meter and want a name of who fitted it, I wont just give out anyones details gdpr n all that so told em I’d ask the sparky if this was ok, I have not done anything moody and tried to do the right thing but now it looks like they’re gona give me agg over it, hence my post on here to get some feedback
The new supplier do not fit meters and do not insist on smart meters either
Be lucky
SS

by **LionsShare** Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:52 pm

FF,
evening, based on past experience SS has every thought to be correct in thinking BG will come after for unpaid 'bills'. BG have a reputation of 'fitting' meters in properties where BG have no commercial contact with a 'customer'. Yes that's contact not contract.

LS

by **LionsShare** Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:55 pm

Yes FF is also correct about the limitations of the 1986 Gas Act, I should have pointed out those limits earlier but if you happen to live within the confines of the restrictions then.....

by **LionsShare** Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:59 pm

on reading my posts I do make a lot of typo errors.

Ce la vie

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by **assassin** Sun Jun 27, 2021 3:21 am

Glad it was not cest que vie.

by **assassin** Sun Jun 27, 2021 3:30 am

They have to supply a certificate when it is fitted and this will have the name and registered number of the electrician on it, they will cross check the number with the register and see if the name on it corresponds to the register.

by flyingfish Sun Jun 27, 2021 8:18 am

Any electrical certificate, whether Minor Works or the full EIC will be signed off in the name of the certifying electrician. If it is notifiable under Part P (not sure if this is) then it should also have been sent to Building Control in your LA and in that case the certifying electrician needs to be a member of one of the approved "schemes" (which electricians call "scams").

by **LionsShare** Sun Jun 27, 2021 8:52 am

yes they are scams however I'm not sure electricians have to be 'registered' as once the quals have been attained then I would say off you go.

by flyingfish Sun Jun 27, 2021 9:44 am

The "scam" or as they say "Competent Person Scheme" is relevant to notifiable work. If the electrician who carried out the work is registered with such a scheme they can simply report the work to Building Control. If not then a building warrant is needed in advance, and Building Control may charge for inspection or require other verification.

HOWEVER - I've just had a quick look and under the revised Part P it doesn't appear that replacing a meter is notifiable anyway, so only the normal compliance with current wiring regulations is required.

by flyingfish Sun Jun 27, 2021 9:48 am

Going back to the OP, he should have a Minor Works, or Electrical Installation certificate for the installation, signed off. There's no GDPR reason not to provide that certificate to the supplier or to the DNO if they require it.

It would be a nonsense for an electrician to sign off work but require you to keep it secret.

by Sharpysparky Sun Jun 27, 2021 10:30 am

Thanks for all the comments and input guys, as I said the sparky’s pal will be round at some point in the week to cert it, I will the provide them with a copy of this, my house has not burnt down yet so im sure he has fitted it correctly lol after all I was there when he fitted it and its only four wires so surely any electrician couldnt mess that up lol.

Be lucky
SS

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