5G Rollout class action UK

by HuManChu Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:33 pm

Has anyone heard about this case in Australia?

https://www.wesaynoto5ginaustralia.com/raymond-broomhall-action

Apparently, they have had success bringing assault charges against telecoms companies. They recently managed to prevent the rollout of 5G systems in Sydney.

I wonder if the system is much different here in the UK, if so it could be a relatively straight forward procedure to present the same evidence that they have. Who here would be willing to support this kind of action?

by **assassin** Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:24 am

We already have, only a couple of weeks ago a judge ruled that emissions have to be considered; the Paris case.

Could be just the foundation needed, and the Sydney case as a precedent.

by **daveiron** Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:18 am

I informed my local council a few months ago ,reminding them that assualt is fear of
harm & that is what I will have if its rolled out in my area or an area that I enter.
I accompanied this with a list of case law. I believe however that the government
have taken away any responsibility from the council.

by HuManChu Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:39 pm

Hi, thank you both for your comments. Could we please get some links included so that that this thread can be a little more informative?
Forgive me if I am wrong but we seem to be a lot less organised over here as opposed to Australia, we need to have a more unified approach I think.
I am predominantly concerned with London where I reside, however I am sure a precedent set there or anywhere else in England for that matter could help to turn the tide on this issue. As I understand, many transmitting towers are being upgraded right now during the corona scare/ isolation period. Decisive measures need to be taken sooner rather than later.

daveiron, I prefer the approach of dealing with the telecoms companies first off, we can take out the councils at a later date, especially if they can be circumvented.

by **daveiron** Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:54 pm

Check out assault & case law in this link
http://www.e-lawresources.co.uk/Assault.php

by itheman Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:05 pm

Very interesting, so it's the installers who own the liability? And their MD?

Discovered 2 transmitters are not far from me
List of 5G
https://www.speedtest.net/ookla-5g-map

Does anyone have images of what these transmitters look like? I'm pretty good with a catapult Wink

by flyingfish Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:13 am

itheman wrote:Does anyone have images of what these transmitters look like? I'm pretty good with a catapult

Some pictures here .. https://pedroc.co.uk/content/ee-5g-masts

by **daveiron** Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:28 am

Not that I making suggestions because I am not . Some parts seem to be encased
in metal boxes ,none of which work without the cabeling which comes up from the
ground.

by HuManChu Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:13 am

Haha so a big hacksaw on a rubber pole then, or the old wobble the pole method. I'd call it self defense. Seriously though, this needs to stop at least while we still have functional braincells in our heads.

Previously, I thought that 5G was just another incremental increase in frequency but it goes up to 95GHz!
https://www.rfsafe.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/2g-3g-4g-5g-radiation.jpg

by HuManChu Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:20 am

The lowest resonant frequency of water is 22GHz, and these people already make my blood boil. Who needs a drone to handle dissidents when you can probably vaporise them with their own mobiles??

by itheman Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:55 pm

I'm quite amazed that its going ahead, there is a video on here crime daveiron i think claiming schools are having it installed while they're closed!
If we can come up with a watertight plan of attack at least we can look after our own environment and advise other who not using this site what to do.

We have some evidence, looks conclusive to me but would need documenting?
FoI reveals existence.
Claim to MD for damages.
My initial thoughts

by **assassin** Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:52 am

Why the MD? go straight for their public liability insurers as this will do more damage, other insurers will hike their premiums massively and take many players out of the game, then you have a precedent backed evidential trail to hit the MD with.

by undersc0re Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:59 pm

HuManChu wrote:Haha so a big hacksaw on a rubber pole then, or the old wobble the pole method. I'd call it self defense. Seriously though, this needs to stop at least while we still have functional braincells in our heads.

Previously, I thought that 5G was just another incremental increase in frequency but it goes up to 95GHz!
https://www.rfsafe.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/2g-3g-4g-5g-radiation.jpg

That graphic is incorrect, 4G can use higher frequencies up to 6GHz, see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTE_frequency_bands

Also, 5G in the UK does not use such high frequencies as the graphic claims, in the UK we are using 3400MHz - 3800MHz for 5G, which isn't too different to 4G which runs on 800MHz, 900MHz, 1500MHz, 1800MHz, 2100MHz, 2300MHz and 2600MHz depending on location and operator here.

Also, might I advise that destroying mobile operators equipment will land you in jail and so isn't a good idea.

by HuManChu Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:10 pm

Forgetting about the frequency bands which are in use, can you find some information to show that the 5G tech can not be used to transmit up to the 95GHz limit? Naturally, if 4G equipment can already operate up to 6GHz there is no reason to believe that their intention is not to use higher frequencies even if infrequently.

I am well aware that destroying private property can usually land a person in prison. However, actions taken in self defense are not so clear cut. Still, I do consider that to be a last resort of course.

by undersc0re Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:37 pm

When I said that 4G can go up to 6GHz, I was referring to the specification. 4G masts are limited by the equipment on them. Operators will only install equipment for which they have the licensed spectrum for, so if we take EE as an example, their highest configuration setups will only have antennas that can broadcast from 700-3800MHz. In most cases EE sites only have antennas for their 800/1800/2100/2600MHz because that is what they use more often, then for 5G they replace the antenna to do 8T8R 5G on 3.4GHz or add a new antenna just for 5G.

Another note, the operators have far less 5G sites than you would think, they can tell phones to display a 5G icon even if there is no 5G in an area.

They would require a license off the government to broadcast on other frequencies, at the moment the operators are only allowed to broadcast 5G on certain frequencies in what's known as Frequency Range 1, which is below 6GHz. The UK doesn't plan to do Frequency range 2 5G for a few years now because of mobile device support.

Even then the claim that 5G goes up to 95GHz is wrong because Frequency range 2 only goes up to 52.6GHz.

See here for more information: https://pedroc.co.uk/content/uk-commercial-mobile-spectrum
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/5G_NR_frequency_bands

by HuManChu Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:51 pm

Well thank you for providing further information, even so I find little comfort in that 5G can still go up to 52GHz, especially considering what I have already mentoned about the resonant frequency of water. To clarify, I am not so worried about these things being used within legal limits, rather than the potential to override protocols and use potentially fatal frequencies by government or other.

by **daveiron** Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:23 pm

I dont think you need to look any further than Barry Trower

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