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Post by Awoken2 on Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:33 am

Ok so I'm sat here in my garden, it's a beautiful day and there's hardly a cloud in the sky, so what's my problem?

Well I don't know much about the stars and stuff like that but something is confusing me.

I look to my left and there is the sun and up to my right I see a half moon. So the sun and the moon are in the same sky... And here's where I get confused.

So if the Sun is above us and the moon is above us then why is the moon not fully visible? We are observing them both from below so we are not obstructing any light from the sun to the moon.

Please go outside and have a look for yourselves. If anybody has a rational explanation for this I would love to hear it.

If nobody else see's anything wrong then it will just confirm I have actually lost my marbles. Cheers. Shocked
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if you can see....

Post by toolapcblack on Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:27 am

if we can see it & if we lived on a sphere what would the people see 180Degrees away? nothing? it makes no sense on a sphere!


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Re: Look up in the sky....

Post by Lopsum on Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:41 pm

what is your problem?
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Re: Look up in the sky....

Post by Awoken2 on Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:14 pm

How can I better put this?

So if the sun is a massive torch and the moon is a giant football and the torch is shining directly at the football with nothing in between then how can we only observe half of the moon?

Surely it should be fully illuminated? Or am I missing something?
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Re: Look up in the sky....

Post by Lopsum on Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:21 pm

i think your missing something, not sure what though Razz How do you fully illuminate something from just one point of light? You cant ! So why would you expect to see it fully lit ? The fact u cant see the whole circle lit sometimes shows that it is no disk , would a simple torch and a ball be enough to solve it?
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Post by Awoken2 on Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:19 pm

@Lopsum wrote:i think your missing something, not sure what though Razz How do you fully illuminate something from just one point of light? You cant ! So why would you expect to see it fully lit ? The fact u cant see the whole circle lit sometimes shows that it is no disk , would a simple torch and a ball be enough to solve it?

Think it may be my sanity. Question But the shadow cast on the moon simply didn't align with the position of the sun. If you drew parallel lines from both edges of the moon in alignment with the illuminated side it pointed in a different direction from where the sun was.

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Re: Look up in the sky....

Post by Guest on Sat Jun 17, 2017 3:17 pm

Hi all

Awoken2 - i think you are right to question such things. The sky is definitely a weird place at the moment and we should all spend a bit of time looking up. Lopsum made a good point re: torch and ball, but as you say, the angles don't seem to line up - which opens it up for debate again....

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Post by Awoken2 on Sat Jun 17, 2017 3:23 pm

Thanks iamani I was about to start actively looking for my marbles.

If you go out in the morning at about 11am that is the best time to observe it. I 'd welcome your perspective.

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Post by landlubber on Sat Jun 17, 2017 3:51 pm

At present, moonrise is from 1.25am and moonset 12.54pm. All the same, the chap talking about the moon in the video has got things wrong. The moon does not rotate on its own axis for a start and that's why we never see the other side of the moon.

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Re: Look up in the sky....

Post by Guest on Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:28 pm

Hi landlubber

erm... you're right and wrong at same time. It revolves around earth's axis and is fixed to such. However for us to see same face of moon at all times means it IS rotating, it just takes a little thought (at least, it did for me!)

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its flat!

Post by toolapcblack on Sat Jun 17, 2017 6:10 pm


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Re: Look up in the sky....

Post by Guest on Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:25 pm

Hi toolapcblack

Aaah, flat earth! A word of advice - treat it as fun. Not saying you shouldn't consider it, just that it can't be proven either way which makes debate on the subject akin to religious debate - heated and divisive with no resolution in the end but violence.

There are more important (though admittedly harder and less fun) topics that deserve our time.

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Post by Phillpots on Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:54 pm

I saw the half moon this morning in my area and the position of the sun meant nothing seemed untoward.

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Re: Look up in the sky....

Post by Awoken2 on Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:21 pm

Ahaaa it's not just me!!! This guy has exactly the same question

https://youtu.be/k3-fgBLZcUA
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Re: Look up in the sky....

Post by Waffle on Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:12 pm

I like the idea behind this thread, make our own observations and question what we have been taught Very Happy

I have been studying this for some time online and through my own observations, I actually have some videos specifically about this topic, if I can ever figure out how to upload them for your viewing, I will.

I have observed that the "shadow" on the moon does not exist, its like we see sky through the moon, never a shadow as one would expect. The "shadow"does not match up with the alignment of the sun, I have plenty of evidence for this. The sun and the moon both rise and set in the same place, its often the moon travels to a distance where it its light is not visible to see it set, especially in daylight.

Taking into account the "shadow" doesn't align with the suns position, I considered perhaps it gives off its own light. The temperature of the moon light is colder than the moon shade, another pointer that it might give off a different type of light.

There are 8 primary phases of the moon we never observe the "shadow" moving across the face of the moon as suggested in this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_phase) they are static!

We only ever see on side of the moon, no matter where your geographical location is, it is always the same.

When looking at the moon through a zoom in its early or late phases, we see that there is very irregular curvature on the inner edge for an object that is supposed to be a sphere.

Thanks for starting the thread

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Re: Look up in the sky....

Post by Phillpots on Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:19 pm

Very interesting Waffle. I know nothing but an education to me.

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Post by Awoken2 on Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:28 pm

@Waffle wrote:I like the idea behind this thread, make our own observations and question what we have been taught Very Happy

I have been studying this for some time online and through my own observations, I actually have some videos specifically about this topic, if I can ever figure out how to upload them for your viewing, I will.

I have observed that the "shadow" on the moon does not exist, its like we see sky through the moon, never a shadow as one would expect. The "shadow"does not match up with the alignment of the sun, I have plenty of evidence for this. The sun and the moon both rise and set in the same place, its often the moon travels to a distance where it its light is not visible to see it set, especially in daylight.

Taking into account the "shadow" doesn't align with the suns position, I considered perhaps it gives off its own light. The temperature of the moon light is colder than the moon shade, another pointer that it might give off a different type of light.

There are 8 primary phases of the moon we never observe the "shadow" moving across the face of the moon as suggested in this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_phase) they are static!

We only ever see on side of the moon, no matter where your geographical location is, it is always the same.

When looking at the moon through a zoom in its early or late phases, we see that there is very irregular curvature on the inner edge for an object that is supposed to be a sphere.

Thanks for starting the thread

And thank you Waffle for restoring my sanity. Surprised
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Re: Look up in the sky....

Post by actinglikeabanker's Ghost on Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:34 pm



Hi, the shadow is in the right place, your perspective of the sun is distorted by the atmosphere bending light.

You could probably determine the general location of the sun from the shadow.




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Re: Look up in the sky....

Post by Lopsum on Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:01 am

I remember now , thanks AB .
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Re: Look up in the sky....

Post by Waffle on Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:23 am


I had a recent discussion in another thread with someone who was adamant that light did not bend, my response was how do we get twilight and I posted this picture https://i.servimg.com/u/f58/19/67/49/96/img_0911.jpg which was taken by me and it also shows a wondering star Venus, thanks for your diagram ALAB.

Its actually in my opinion a very true depiction of the sun, very close to earth and very small in comparison to what we are told.

Another point I forgot to include is that the moon and the sun appear to be almost, if not, exactly the same size.... weird huh...

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Post by actinglikeabanker's Ghost on Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:09 am

The moon is approx 240 thousand miles away whereas the sun is approx 93 million miles away. The main reason that you see the moon is because of the sun, without the sun, you would see the moon but only as it passes by other suns/stars in the night sky.

Both are contrasted by space, most of the light that comes from the sun you will never see as it goes on into space. If we had two moons of different size on different rotations only viewed from one side of the planet each then I expect one could convince themselves on either side that they were of similar size to the sun.


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Re: Look up in the sky....

Post by Awoken2 on Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:13 am

If you step outside right now and look at the moon and sun together in the sky then the big question is why can you not see a full circular illuminated side of the moon?... Sorry for labouring the point
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Post by handle on Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:56 am

Good point. The moon is apparantly 384,400 km away and the sun is 149,600,000,000 miles from us.

If you see both in the sky, and you know one of them is millions of miles higher than the other, irrespective of size and only focussing on the sun as a source of light then much of that light should be on the far side of the moon.
HOWEVER, what about that immense light bouncing back off our atmosphere and the earths surface. That should be enough to highlight the rest of the moon, the visible sphere side we always see.

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