council tax 1st of april

by darkfireblade Wed Mar 16, 2022 4:03 pm

Hi just wondering, i have sold my flat 18 months ago, but the sale is constantly being stalled by solicitors, another box of frogs i guess. But im not working at the moment due the the aftermath of lockdowns and only earning JSA and any extra`s I can get. Just wondering if I sptop paying council tax next month if anything would happen since its the end of the contract.

I know council tax is a tough nut to crack which is why I am asking what people think. Not sure what people think of me not wanting to pay it, but i definitey don`t feel morrally obliged let alone leggally.

by **LionsShare** Wed Mar 16, 2022 4:51 pm

darkfireblade wrote:I know council tax is a tough nut to crack which is why I am asking what people think. Not sure what people think of me not wanting to pay it, but i definitey don`t feel morrally obliged let alone leggally.

I'm with you on not wanting to pay & certainly have NO moral qualms about not paying. However - there's always a but, its this, if you have tracable assets or if something is known by gov't/council THEY will come after it & steal it. If you have a house THEY will go for a charging order quicikly escilate costs & force you to go bancrupt - YES they steal everything.

I do have ideas about not accepting an offer to contract but its too dangerous & I will NOT advise anyone to stop paying c'tax. If you are in serious difficulty then contact your local mafia extorting council for advice. You may want to research sect13 LGFA1992:

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1992/14/section/13A

(2)Each billing authority in England must make a scheme specifying the reductions which are to apply to amounts of council tax payable, in respect of dwellings situated in its area, by—

(a)persons whom the authority considers to be in financial need, or

(b)persons in classes consisting of persons whom the authority considers to be, in general, in financial need.

by brownowl Thu Aug 10, 2023 10:37 pm

LionsShare wrote:
darkfireblade wrote:I know council tax is a tough nut to crack which is why I am asking what people think. Not sure what people think of me not wanting to pay it, but i definitey don`t feel morrally obliged let alone leggally.
I'm with you on not wanting to pay & certainly have NO moral qualms about not paying. However - there's always a but, its this, if you have tracable assets or if something is known by gov't/council THEY will come after it & steal it. If you have a house THEY will go for a charging order quicikly escilate costs & force you to go bancrupt - YES they steal everything.

I do have ideas about not accepting an offer to contract but its too dangerous & I will NOT advise anyone to stop paying c'tax. If you are in serious difficulty then contact your local mafia extorting council for advice. You may want to research sect13 LGFA1992:

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1992/14/section/13A

(2)Each billing authority in England must make a scheme specifying the reductions which are to apply to amounts of council tax payable, in respect of dwellings situated in its area, by—

(a)persons whom the authority considers to be in financial need, or

(b)persons in classes consisting of persons whom the authority considers to be, in general, in financial need.

Hi Lionshare, can you explain a bit more about the charging order process? Thank you

by **LionsShare** Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:54 am

morning 'brownowl'

as to what thier internal processes actually are for the 'charging order process' am not in any way familiar.

To repeat from that stated above do not stop paying, I don't know of anyone who has actually 'won' over anything like this.

The only real way I can see with this is to somehow declare your own expressed title & get away from the implied title (Mr. Mrs Miss etc)

We are simply held liable with no proof of contract/agreement etc. Its the same for utils.

by brownowl Sat Aug 12, 2023 6:25 pm

LionsShare wrote:morning 'brownowl'

as to what thier internal processes actually are for the 'charging order process' am not in any way familiar.

To repeat from that stated above do not stop paying, I don't know of anyone who has actually 'won' over anything like this.

The only real way I can see with this is to somehow declare your own expressed title & get away from the implied title (Mr. Mrs Miss etc)

We are simply held liable with no proof of contract/agreement etc. Its the same for utils.

Thanks,

I am going to start paying because I have enough on my plate at the moment.

Here is the situation regarding council tax.

I moved into a house and they sent letters to the occupier. I am the owner with a mortgage. After a while they got hold of my name and wrote letters to me. I signed up to council tax but in another name - I changed my name, so it was my old name. They then sent a fake summons etc, eventually a bailiff wrote to me saying that other name owed an amount over 1000. I called them and told them that the addressee was not me and wrote a letter. It was past back to the council who never contacted me again. Suddenly I get a bailiff letter with no pre-warning or letter from council saying i owed an amount under 1000. I am going to pay but was wondering, can one set up council tax in an alternative name and pay in cash for council tax? As long as they get 'their' money for the future months then why would they complain? The total amount I 'should' have paid by now was a lot more than they are asking for. I am wondering that if I set up the account in a new name then would they not pursue the previous figures as they belong to different persons.

Thanks

Thanks

by flyingfish Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:07 pm

brownowl wrote: Hi Lionshare, can you explain a bit more about the charging order process? Thank you

If someone has a court order for a debt, they can apply for a "charging order" to be registered against your property so that it can't be sold without settling the debt. It's recorded at the Land Registry and in reality what it means is the judgement creditor gets first call on the sale proceeds.
https://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/civil/rules/part73

There may be a get out if the property is jointly owned but the debt only in your name.

by brownowl Sat Aug 12, 2023 10:23 pm

flyingfish wrote:
brownowl wrote: Hi Lionshare, can you explain a bit more about the charging order process? Thank you
If someone has a court order for a debt, they can apply for a "charging order" to be registered against your property so that it can't be sold without settling the debt. It's recorded at the Land Registry and in reality what it means is the judgement creditor gets first call on the sale proceeds.
https://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/civil/rules/part73

There may be a get out if the property is jointly owned but the debt only in your name.

Thanks, so is this the case for just council tax or for any debt?

by flyingfish Sun Aug 13, 2023 7:06 am

brownowl wrote:Thanks, so is this the case for just council tax or for any debt?

The process is available to any judgement creditor, although not always useful. I think this is the reason why the old three letters wasn't recommended if you were s home owner.

by Sean Goddard Sat Dec 16, 2023 9:48 pm

You are ALL missing the VERY EASY way to screw all these thieving cnuts. Put ALL your stuff into a TRUST. Ask any (good) solicitor how to do this.

You can do what you like then, don't pay ULEZ, council tax, income tax, etc as you own NOTHING there is NOTHING for them to take and NONE of what you have is yours.

It's the ultimate middle finger to the "authorities". Regarding your car, make sure around 10 people have permission from the TRUST (NOT YOU) to drive it. The trust is the registered keeper so any parking, speeding etc tickets you get go to the trust which is a piece of paper, so no body to send to prison or fine for non payment.

Stop worrying about how "they" can take whay is yours, do it to yourself first then they have nothing.

by **Lopsum** Sun Dec 17, 2023 12:42 am

flyingfish wrote:
brownowl wrote:Thanks, so is this the case for just council tax or for any debt?

The process is available to any judgement creditor, although not always useful. I think this is the reason why the old three letters wasn't recommended if you were s home owner.

But the council issue their own documents not the courts. They have nothing to do with council tax , its all fraud by the council.

by **daveiron** Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:56 am

I have achieved similar results by not having anything in my name ie, some 9 years ago i sold everything in the house (rented) and elsewhere to my daughter for a nominal sum,and the right of enjoyment of the items until required by my daughter.My vehicle was in my companies name . The precious metals i had bought i placed in a trust for daughter & grankids.

by **urchinatheart** Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:31 am

It is an unlawful tax and meant for business 'persons', not men and women, I think. However, the legislation, codes and general gobbledegook surrounding the practice of scaring people into paying and stealing their property if they don't is riddled with tricks and traps.
Unless a very clear understanding is gained by carefully studying the legislation and translating the legalese into English, it is difficult to even ask a meaningful question.
Success is going to need time, effort, and for most of us, support, as even the poor saps administering the energy extraction don't seem to understand what they are doing.
I found this free version of the council tax handbook on Internet Archive.
https://archive.org/details/counciltaxhandbo0000alan/page/14/mode/2up
which I think may be useful.
I think it is good advice to keep paying until you can prove the harm, injury and loss they are causing you, and know how to use that evidence effectively.

by **assassin** Sun Jan 14, 2024 4:02 am

Urchin, I would suggest looking at what your council tax allegedly pays for and then see what is missing, let me explain?

Your council tax pays for local car parks and if you go and park in something you have already paid for and it has a pay and display machine you sufer a loss, slam dunk.

If you go to your local tip which again you have paid for and they say you have to make an appointment and you go home with your rubbish you have used twice as much fuel and again a loss, if you have to take it home and your child falls on it you have loss, harm, and injury.

Lawful precedent has determined that if you are asked to clean your jars and tins out before putting them in the bin you are lawfully working for the council and if you cut or injure yourself doing it you report it to your local council and they should put it in their accident book and if they dont its another court case under HSE legislation for them.

by **daveiron** Sun Jan 14, 2024 4:29 am

I had a similar thing a few years ago ,RC bin was left uncollected because of 'Wrong type of plastic & Wrong coloured paper ( Yellow Pages)

I wrote to council telling them if they wanted me to segrigate my waste i required payment ( i pitched it as the same amount as CT) as i do not work for free.
No response to that so i told them to collect their RC bins within 1 week or they will be deemed as abandoned, Never collected so i grew rhubarb in them.

by **urchinatheart** Mon Jan 15, 2024 12:35 am

Could all those possibly count as torts,do you think ? There will certainly be some inquiries designed to reveal who owes whom, all ideas for questions gratefully accepted !

by **daveiron** Mon Jan 15, 2024 3:52 am

It applies to 'government' at all levels.

by **Lopsum** Mon Jan 29, 2024 3:58 pm

urchin its worse than that , its actually a breach of the slavery act( https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2015/30/section/3/enacted )

"Securing services etc by force, threats or deception

(5)The person is subjected to force, threats or deception designed to induce him or her—

(a)to provide services of any kind,

(b)to provide another person with benefits of any kind, or

(c)to enable another person to acquire benefits of any kind."

I think its time for this now.

by **daveiron** Mon Jan 29, 2024 11:51 pm

'Page not found' is it this one ?
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2015/30/section/3/enacted

by **Lopsum** Mon Jan 29, 2024 11:58 pm

thanks Dave ,it was the bracket that needed a space

by **LionsShare** Sun Feb 04, 2024 8:13 pm

not sure if it relates to c'tax but although council related it might be worth researching & using to affect if that claimed here is true? Very Happy

by **daveiron** Sun Feb 04, 2024 9:46 pm

I think we should remind them of The Seven Principles of Public Life (Nolan Principles ).
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-7-principles-of-public-life/the-7-principles-of-public-life--2

Always word your correspondence to give them no wiggle room and address it always to the first who contacts you,they will always try responding by using as many different
people as possible, So always address to the first one personally . Keep it personal,there is too much hiding in numbers going on.

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