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Post by manabout Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:24 am

Hi all

I have read through the new goodf method but am rather confused and hoping someone could help me further.

I received an email to an email address i rarely use from cabot alleging i have a debt to them and if i don't respond within 14 days they will be sending it for legal action. The problem is this was sent mid feb and its now march so its a little past their deadline before i even saw it so im kind of confused by it all.

I suffer from mental illness and combined with the stress of this in these already costly times im unsure how to proceed and was hoping some one could potentially help guide me in the right direction?

Any help would be greatly apreciated

They allege i owe around £1600 if this helps any further.

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Post by daveiron Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:22 am

No problems, to get you stressed is their aim.

Dont worry about deadlines they are theirs not yours.
Next step is send via 'Royal Mail signed for' a letter informing them that
you have received an email via an old account that you no longer monitor.
Inform them that any communication from them shall be via Royal Mail only
and they do not have your permission to contact you by any other method.

In the meantime study the new process especially the Notice for debt purchasers.

It would be a good idea to also send a DSAR to the original creditor (no charge)
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Post by manabout Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:28 pm

daveiron wrote:No problems, to get you stressed is their aim.

Dont worry about deadlines they are theirs not yours.
Next step is send via 'Royal Mail signed for' a letter informing them that
you have received an email via an old account that you no longer monitor.
Inform them that any communication from them shall be via Royal Mail only
and they do not have your permission to contact you by any other method.

In the meantime study the new process especially the Notice for debt purchasers.

It would be a good idea to also send a DSAR to the original creditor (no charge)

Hi Dave thankyou for the response you even answered a question i forgot to ask lol (i was unsure if cabot was dp or a drc or even solicitors its all very confusing), sorry for the delay replying i have been rather busy today and never saw your message.

I have an issue as i dont actually know who the original creditor would be, also is a dsar a subject access request?

Im sorry if im asking dumb questions, im new to all the abbreviations and terms and its alot to wrap my mind around.


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Post by daveiron Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:51 pm

Yes a DSAR is subject access data request.

As you dont know who the original creditor is ,send a DSAR to Cabot.

Very easy ,just word it something along these lines;

You have claimed i owe a debt to your corporation,as such this letter is
a Data Subject Access Request. Please supply any and all data you hold
for (add your name) I require your compliance within the specified time scale.


They are not dumb questions ,we all started out that way so feel free to ask
questions . Dont forget from this point onwards ,only contact via Royal Mail
and that applies to them as well. Its best if you use RM signed for but if things
are tight just get proof of posting.
Never admit a debt ,its alleged from this point.
Do not let them pressure you with time limits,these matters will take time so use
it to study the process.

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Post by Mrblue2015 Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:42 pm

I must admit, despite following and contributing towards this site for over eight years now, I have never heard of any legal proceedings being initiated via email.

Surely it’s worth someone checking if such an approach is legal…? Or am I being ignorant? If so, apologies Smile
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Post by manabout Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:30 am

daveiron wrote:Yes a DSAR is subject access data request.

As you dont know who the original creditor is ,send a DSAR to Cabot.

Very easy ,just word it something along these lines;

You have claimed i owe a debt to your corporation,as such this letter is
a Data Subject Access Request. Please supply any and all data you hold
for (add your name) I require your compliance within the specified time scale.


They are not dumb questions ,we all started out that way so feel free to ask
questions . Dont forget from this point onwards ,only contact via Royal Mail
and that applies to them as well. Its best if you use RM signed for but if things
are tight just get proof of posting.
Never admit a debt ,its alleged from this point.
Do not let them pressure you with time limits,these matters will take time so use
it to study the process.


Thank you again for responding and being understanding, i feel awkward asking people questions incase its something i should of read up on and misunderstood.

I have drafted this for the dsar would it be apropriate:

"To whom it may concern

Your Corporation has alleged a debt is owed to you that have i no recollection of.

For this reason i must put in a data subject access request, in order to verify this claim.

Please provide any and all data you hold for one xxxxxxxxx i require you comply with this within 14 days through royal mail only"

Should i sign it or just use printed name, ive read they can use your signature to falsify stuff but im unsure tbh.

Thank you again for the help


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Post by assassin Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:28 am

manabout wrote:
daveiron wrote:Yes a DSAR is subject access data request.

As you dont know who the original creditor is ,send a DSAR to Cabot.

Very easy ,just word it something along these lines;

You have claimed i owe a debt to your corporation,as such this letter is
a Data Subject Access Request. Please supply any and all data you hold
for (add your name) I require your compliance within the specified time scale.


They are not dumb questions ,we all started out that way so feel free to ask
questions . Dont forget from this point onwards ,only contact via Royal Mail
and that applies to them as well. Its best if you use RM signed for but if things
are tight just get proof of posting.
Never admit a debt ,its alleged from this point.
Do not let them pressure you with time limits,these matters will take time so use
it to study the process.


Thank you again for responding and being understanding, i feel awkward asking people questions incase its something i should of read up on and misunderstood.

I have drafted this for the dsar would it be apropriate:

"To whom it may concern

Your Corporation has alleged a debt is owed to you that have i no KNOWLEDGE of.

For this reason i must put in a data subject access request, in order to ATTEMPT TO SUBSTANTIATE this claim.

Please provide any and all data you hold for one xxxxxxxxx i require you comply with this within 14 days through royal mail only"

Should i sign it or just use printed name, ive read they can use your signature to falsify stuff but im unsure tbh.

BY FAILING TO COMPLY WITHIN THE 14 DAYS ALLOWED YOU AGREE YOUR CLAIM IS INVALID AND YOUR CLAIM IS REBUTTED IN SUBSTANCE

Thank you again for the help


Sign it as without a signature it isn't a valid claim and they can, and do refuse them.
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Post by daveiron Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:32 am

Ok, change the time from 14 days to 1 month. Thats the legal timeframe.
I would also change (for this reason ) to (therefore this is a-)
Dont forget to add the part about ALL communication must be via royal Mail.
if you dont add that they will bombard you with text ,email and phone calls.
The phone calls can be dangerous as they will record them and try get you to
admit the debt.
Ignore their reference to legal proceedings, that is added to create fear, once
you start the NoCA process you are offering to pay ,on that basis they have no
grounds to bring legal action.

Regarding you signature, i always write 'all rights reserved' and ensure my signature
goes over part of it.
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Post by manabout Wed Mar 22, 2023 1:47 am

Hi thank you for the responses, i am drafting the new version now with your suggested changes, i completely forgot to add the part about all communication being through RM only thank you.

Just to be clear i should add my real signature but try to make it harder for them to copy?

Should i add the reference number to this also?

As a side note ive been reading over the noca for dp would i send this soon or wait for their response first? Also am i understanding the offer of me paying this alleged debt is if they can prove i have entered contract with them?

Sorry if im asking to much at once i just dont want to make a mistake.

Thank you again for your responses i appreciate the help

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Post by Mrblue2015 Wed Mar 22, 2023 7:10 am

Before I start, none of this is a criticism. Just trying to make sure you get the most out of the advice kindly offered to you.

manabout wrote:Just to be clear i should add my real signature but try to make it harder for them to copy?

DI has already answered your question / told you what to do in advance:

Regarding you signature, i always write 'all rights reserved' and ensure my signature
goes over part of it
.” DI gave this advice to ensure people can’t lift your valuable signature out of documents by ensuring it is ‘muddled’ to an extent.

And on a general note, please make every effort to properly read the GOOD advice given to you, because as well as the above example, there are other examples where you haven’t I’m afraid.

Remember, people use their own, valuable time and for free to help people, so please do your best to ensure they don’t have to repeat their advice over and over. Thank you.
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Post by daveiron Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:51 am

This should provide a little clarity.
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Post by manabout Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:46 am

Mrblue2015 wrote:Before I start, none of this is a criticism. Just trying to make sure you get the most out of the advice kindly offered to you.

manabout wrote:Just to be clear i should add my real signature but try to make it harder for them to copy?

DI has already answered your question / told you what to do in advance:

Regarding you signature, i always write 'all rights reserved' and ensure my signature
goes over part of it
.” DI gave this advice to ensure people can’t lift your valuable signature out of documents by ensuring it is ‘muddled’ to an extent.

And on a general note, please make every effort to properly read the GOOD advice given to you, because as well as the above example, there are other examples where you haven’t I’m afraid.

Remember, people use their own, valuable time and for free to help people, so please do your best to ensure they don’t have to repeat their advice over and over. Thank you.

I apologise if im wasting peoples time with repeat or silly questions, i wasnt trying to pester anybody. Im on the spectrum and have difficulty perceiving the meaning of stuff sometimes. Even with the signature question, id read what di put but also read what assassin did too and kinda got a little confused.

Hell the only reason im even asking anything at all despite my crippling anxiety to say something wrong is that i didnt fully understand the new goodf approach properly and my stress of this debt is higher.

Again im very sorry if ive overstretched my questions, i understand this is done through voluntary basis and truly think you are all amazing for helping others thank you.

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Post by daveiron Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:18 pm

A little more as to what tricks you can expect and how to counter
their trap.

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Post by Mrblue2015 Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:38 pm

manabout wrote:
Mrblue2015 wrote:Before I start, none of this is a criticism. Just trying to make sure you get the most out of the advice kindly offered to you.

manabout wrote:Just to be clear i should add my real signature but try to make it harder for them to copy?

DI has already answered your question / told you what to do in advance:

Regarding you signature, i always write 'all rights reserved' and ensure my signature
goes over part of it
.” DI gave this advice to ensure people can’t lift your valuable signature out of documents by ensuring it is ‘muddled’ to an extent.

And on a general note, please make every effort to properly read the GOOD advice given to you, because as well as the above example, there are other examples where you haven’t I’m afraid.

Remember, people use their own, valuable time and for free to help people, so please do your best to ensure they don’t have to repeat their advice over and over. Thank you.

I apologise if im wasting peoples time with repeat or silly questions, i wasnt trying to pester anybody. Im on the spectrum and have difficulty perceiving the meaning of stuff sometimes. Even with the signature question, id read what di put but also read what assassin did too and kinda got a little confused.

Hell the only reason im even asking anything at all despite my crippling anxiety to say something wrong is that i didnt fully understand the new goodf approach properly and my stress of this debt is higher.

Again im very sorry if ive overstretched my questions, i understand this is done through voluntary basis and truly think you are all amazing for helping others thank you.

No need to apologise. It was a message to anyone and everyone reading / following your post.

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Post by waylander62 Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:06 pm

having briefly read through this thread it appears that the original poster ( manabout ) is slightly confused by al of the different things and letters that are at their disposal, easy to understand as it isn't easy.

In this case and having read the original post what i would do myself is to respond to the original e mail. the response should inclde the following points.

i) the e mail you have sent to me was to an old e mail address that i very rarely use and was not read or seen by me until x date so to reply within the 14 days i was given was not at all possible.

ii) make it clear that you wish to deal with this matter in writing ONLY from now on.

iii) make it clear you have never entered into any agreement with the company Cabot.

iv) make it clear that you have no idea what this relates to and require information in respect of this.

pretty much leave it at that, they should respond fairly quickly with some details so you can ascertain your standing in this matter.

initially that is what i would and in the meantime you can read up and start to understand what to do from here.

just what i would do.

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Post by Mrblue2015 Fri Mar 24, 2023 12:49 pm

Excellent Waylander62
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Post by assassin Mon Mar 27, 2023 3:51 am

If you respond by this E-mail address they know it is in use and will continue to use it as this is without a signature and avoids any liability on their part.
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Post by Mrblue2015 Mon Mar 27, 2023 2:53 pm

Exactly Assassin...
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Post by waylander62 Mon Mar 27, 2023 6:17 pm

yes dont respond via e mail

as i said write and ask to deal in writing ONLY, if they have been told in writing not to use the email address and that you never use it and they continue along those lines then they are acting unreasonably.

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Post by Mrblue2015 Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:02 pm

Exactly Waylander62. The only control they have is that you unwittingly give to them.  Taking control of the situation is KEY to all of this, hence the use of NoCAs etc.
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Post by manabout Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:56 am

Hi all

im sorry for the delayed response i hadn't realised anyone else had replied,

Ive sent off my dsar to them inorder to get more info about the the alleged debt, but until they reply im kind of in limbo, when they do though my plan is to start up the next phase which i assume is the noca from what im understanding.

Thank you everyone for your help on this matter i really appreciate you taking your time to guide a poor fool such as myself lol, i haven't emailed them back like you have suggested, i even took the advice given and added my request for all correspondence through postage.

Hopefully fingers crossed this goes well, ive read Cabot can be a little bit nasty in their tactics. Alot of the stuff i was reading sugests they use underhanded tactics to try and get money out of the cases most see aa pointless. Fr after watching a few videos i feel like they creditors are just scamming innocent people and the ones who chase debts are scummy.

The more i learn how the system is formed just to screw the poorer our of money and how its set up this way is mental mind blowing how they can get away with it.

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Post by daveiron Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:07 am

Good stuff, in the meantime just keep researching,
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Post by manabout Wed Mar 29, 2023 12:38 pm

Will do thanks

Heres what i sent, hopefully i made the right changes and nothing is wrong

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Post by manabout Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:31 pm

Ok so i think my problem has just really escalated. Im really praying its just a scare tactic my mailman has just this second brought me 2 letters, that say they were sent with one day difference in sending date (23rd and 24th) but for some reason they have only arrived today and both in the exact same type of envelope making me think they have created and sent both letters themselves.

The 1st is from cabot financial claiming they have tried contacting me on several occasions about this alleged debt (im assuming they mean the email thing) and are now moving my case to solicitors and that i will receive contact within 7 days.

The 2nd letter is from surprise the solicitors called mortimer clarke solicitors asking me to fill in a form either admitting full/partial debt / claiming its unknown or to dispute it. Both return adresses are the same too.

Im shaking as im writing this with anxiety that ive some how messed up sending the dsar now.

Have i messed up? Sorry if this doesnt make sense im having a panic attack while writing this in fear ive messed up.

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Post by manabout Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:49 pm

Ok so i was just looking and im thinking i should of added my status as vulnerable to the dsar, is it true this prevents the use of bailiffs? Sorry if im bombarding the forum with text, im panic searching and thought this was interesting if true.

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