DISGRACEFUL BEHAVIOUR OF NOTTINGHAMSHIRE POLICE ACTING ON A FRAUDULENT WARRANT

by ceylon Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:41 am

DISGRACEFUL BEHAVIOUR OF NOTTINGHAMSHIRE POLICE ACTING ON A FRAUDULENT WARRANT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxKuqepUj9o

by toolapcblack Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:07 am

that takes some watching, serious attitude from that one private enforcer...we need to flush them all away and start again with men and women who have empathy for their fellow man!

by **daveiron** Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:17 am

I think this should be a community effort. Mass complaints from all of us.

Chief Constable Craig Guildford .Sherwood Lodge .Arnold Nottingham NG5 8PP

psd@nottinghamshire.pnn.police.uk

Office of the Police & Crime commissioner Arnot Hill House.Arnot Hill Park Arnot Nottingham NG5 6LU.

by Jinxer Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:03 pm

I had the same thing happen to me about 3 years ago but on a commercial premises and they even dug the road up outside to disconnect the supply proper.
The answer is not to argue on the roadside as that won't get anybody anywhere. The answer is to get the Chief Constable in the High Court to answer his officers actions in Court.
Since the introduction of the Criminal Justice Act this type of enforcement has been happening more and more. We thought the Act was going to benefit us but it don't. The Police have a get out of jail clause where the Act states knowingly and all they have to say is they thought they were acting lawfully and they get away with it. Until someone takes this through the High Court then this sort of behavior is just going to carry on. I did look at pursuing what happened to me but the potential cost of it all put me off.

by Guest Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:15 pm

Hi all

daveiron - good idea!

toolapcblack - good idea!

ceylon - good on you! (and everyone else there, too)

So did they decide against using the big red key? Result!

Cheers!

by Guest Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:19 pm

Hi Jinxer

Perhaps a new approach is in order if the courts are prohibitively expensive. There are cheaper options after all, maybe we should look at those....?

Cheers!

by **daveiron** Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:52 pm

Strong Complaint sent to professional standards dept.

Chief Constable & P&CC to follow later today.

The more that do this the better.

by Ausk Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:06 am

Police are protected persons, meaning the harm they cause in the execution of their duities, they do in the name of thier empllyer and are not personally liable for.

However, the moment they step outside of what the law permits, they become liable for personal damages. Their employer cannot help them and the police insurer will certainly not help them either if they step outside the the law.

What law exempts police from complying with the law anyway - none!

Commerical liens come to mind.

Neither their employer nor their employers insurer can help them either.

A bloke in Aus got 3k$ in compensation recently because he was unlawfully detained by "Railway Police" (who have the power of arrest) who detained him for 4 minutes on the station platform and demanded he show ID and answer questions.

All it takes is a few of these sorts of cases and sooner or later the powers that be within the 'police force' will get twitchy about cops exceeding their powers.

When we become aware to these sorts of court decisions we should go through the court judgement and identify things we can use in the event we suffer a similar injury and take it to court.

We need to study the reasoning of the court, the claims made by the plaintiff and the defences arguements.

In any action we take we will of course submit such cases as precedents as part of our claim which courts are bound to follow. If they dont, then the magistrate or judge may have erred in law and there may be grounds for an appeal to a higher court.

As the defendant; we are in a good position as we dont have to prove anything, they have to defend their actions and claim that what they did is legal and lawful.

All we have to do is to play the role of the victim.

by eargoggles Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:41 am

arrest one of the coppers and handcuff it to a lampost.

by **Society of the Spectacle** Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:18 pm

That particularly THICK copper,
is just repeating what the station sergeant has told him.

To bloody lazy to verify a few simple points for himself.

Back to square one with this type of Low IQ Bobby.
1, Do you understand the difference between lawful and legal.
2nd, dont let them get away with calling themselves officers.
Constables always.
and Do they know the difference ?

by Kestrel Tue Aug 29, 2017 4:40 pm

Just as the police have been used as weapons against us for many years the other band of useful idiots the armed forces will be the next weapon used, although haven't they already, Churchill sending troops to murder striking miners in South Wales then the other puppet Thatcher during 1984/85 to attack the miners then, although this is still denied of the 80's strike.

What is disturbing the escalation of the police & their involvement in civil matters.

I've spoken to some former police 'constables' in recent years & they were happy to leave as they were under constant pressure to 'not' do their job but to pursue political agendas, targets & serve corporations.

ACAB applies!

by Tom Bombadil Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:07 pm

The fault, and therefore the retaliation, should be leveled on the chief!

It is they that has seen the paperwork, and they that gave permission for police CONSTABLES to attend a court matter. Incorrectly!
It was recent that the chiefs were told to attend ANY AND ALL court rulings, from whichever court. (I cant remember exactly when, but it was last year or so)

When that case is won, its is THEN one directs their efforts on the individual police constables acting outside their jurisdiction. NOT the fact that they attended on the chiefs orders, but that they have not since used due diligence and for their individual actions. Like not wearing full uniform, assault and battery, threatening behaviour and simple shit like that.

by Jinxer Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:37 am

https://www.criminallawandjustice.co.uk/features/Warrants-Entry
Part of the Police job is to enforce warrant's. I hear what is said about the warrant's being illegal and that's what needs disputing. but it's no good just turning up to the hearing and saying that their acting illegally. We need to fight it with their legislation, which don't seem to be working at the moment. Someone needs to take the decision to issue a warrant to judicial review, but more than just saying it's illegal is needed to win.

by Ausk Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:34 am

A case has to be put together consiting of the relevant laws relating to warrants.

The provisions in laws on warrants need to be compared to the documentry evidence on a warrant that has been used for execution in an actual case.

One needs to find previous high court decisions on warrants, study them, identify areguement and points in them that can be used in a case and use them for building a case to take to court.

A case needs to then be filed in an aprropriate court

The high court precedent cases need to noted in the handup brief.

While there may be several ways to fight on an issue, using their system back against them is definately one that shuld high on the list of preferred strategies.

As jews will tell you, there is no stronger position than that of the victim so it needs somebody who has been harmed by a wrong full warrant or the wrongfull execution of a warrant to be victim.

Being the defendant is one way of being the victim. When we are the victim, the accused, we do not have to prove anything, The wondeful principle of Brithish justice is that its built on the principle that those who alledge have to prove their allegation. '

To be the defendant, make them take you to court do not take them to court.

by Candor Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:03 am

Good point Ausk, your reply is relevant because the 1954 Gas Act uses criminal jurisdiction to enforce these warrants which are an administrative exercise only, like Council Tax its is quasi criminal meaning fake, appearance and reality or character and nature are different.

What is Nottingham Justice Centre and who is magistrate or Justice of the peace for Nottinghamshire ?

http://magistrates-court.co.uk/nottingham-magistrates-court/

We went over this on the old forum after Kevin Mark did his expose on the gas warrant scam, I find it frustrating some people have still not taken this on board presumably because of an aversion to reading statutes, look - the warrant may or may not be valid, what is at stake here is are these warrants being obtained by means of perjury ?
I would also point out using a High Court/QBD order as an example is misleading as they are entirely different types of document and would never use the same form anyway.

A gas safety certificate should be regularly obtained to counter this abuse of the Gas entry powers, if you are prudent you would send a copy of that to the supplier and Notice them that they are invited to challenge the certificate or accept its validity.

The basis of these warrants being granted is that there are compelling grounds that your supply is unsafe and you are some lunatic who would rather allow your house to end up a smouldering pile of rubble than allow an engineer entry to make good the supply - we all know this is a clear abuse of process and court enforcement - as the real motive is to install a pre-pay or smart meter; which can otherwise only be installed through civil jurisdiction and not using criminal to force entry - Kevin pointed this out before very clearly.

by Jinxer Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:15 pm

They don't just get these warrant's for safety issues they get them to fit pre pay meters as well.

by Candor Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:27 pm

I am talking about the premise on which these warrants are issued, not the objective of the Utilities Company.

I suggest you go back to what Kevin stated, perhaps Ceylon can post that video as a reminder, I believe it was on one of his channels somewhere.

They tell you what statutes they purport to operate under, like you said you are having no success with statutes - because you don't read and comprehend them, that's why.

Instalment of Prepay meters do not come under criminal jurisdiction for powers of forced entry, its a slight of hand using Health and Safety legislation.

If you wish to believe they do - more fools you.

by Jinxer Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:32 pm

No what I'm saying is they go to the Magistates Court to get a warrant of entry to fit a pre payment meter if there is a debt outstanding, they don't just use the excuse that the warrant is for safety issues. I think it costs them 20 quid in Magistrates rather than 200 and odd quid if they went to County Court.

by Candor Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:46 pm

OK thanks for clarifying that, yes its a cheap rubber stamping exercise for sure.

What is key is knowing that the warrant for that (in light of arrears) is not actually a power of force-able entry as it is issued under civil jurisdiction and a different Act, it merely permits an agent to come to your door and request you permit an installation, forced entry only ever has legal Authority under a Gas Safety Warrant.

The Utility company are supposed to Notice you of their application, which they are not doing (abuse of process - there is your remedy for damages), so you can attend the hearing and contest the application.

Using the doctrine of Notice and the Valid safety certificate you could pre-empt their mischief by applying for an interim injunction 'ex parte' to get relief from injury before it happens, they must either play the game by the proper rules or back off.

by Jinxer Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:10 pm

Like I have said before I'm useless at understanding acts and stuff but I read the gas act 1954 and the electric act 1989 and I couldn't find anything that said warrants were issued for safety reasons only.

Thank you for your question.

I have done some research into this for you and it is the case that the law governing those powers of entry is still to be found in:

the Rights of Entry (Gas and Electricity Boards) Act 1954;

Schedule 2B of the Gas Act 1986 (inserted by the Gas Act 1995) which sets out the “Gas Code”)

Schedule 6 of the Electricity Act 1989, which sets out the “Electricity Code”)

I found this answer from a Solicitor when asked what acts are used to grant a warrant of entry to fit pre payment meters.

by **Society of the Spectacle** Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:30 pm

I would suggest that those of you on the front Line
Have a Copy of this on your phones, for ease of Quotation,
and remember , they are always,
"CONSTABLES"
Then learn the parts of this that may apply.

For the purposes of this section, a police constable exercises the powers and privileges
of a constable improperly if—
(a)
he or she exercises a power or privilege of a constable for the purpose of
achieving—
(i)
a benefit for himself or herself, or
(ii)
a benefit or a detriment for another person, and
(b)
a reasonable person would not expect the power or privilege to be exercised
for the purpose of achieving that benefit or detriment.
(5)

LINK,
https://goodf.forumotion.com/t322-criminal-justice-and-courts-act-2015-when-to-arrest-a-copper?highlight=criminal+justice

by **daveiron** Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:04 pm

This is from steve ,best advise I have seen on this.

by Jinxer Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:37 pm

I find it very hard to believe anyone could justify making a Citizen's Arrest for trespass and even harder to believe you could do it to a Police Officer without suffering severe consequences. Is trespass even criminal to warrant an arrest.

by Guest Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:28 pm

Hi all

Great thread guys.

Jinxer - trespass is indictable,,i believe, a common-law crime. If the po-po, having been noticed, break their oath then it's as he says - 'all good in the 'hood'.

At the same time i get what you're saying (Rob Ess is of the same opinion), and i understand the cog.diss. involved, but i agree with what Steve is saying.

Has anyone ever written to a chief constable and asked about the correct procedure in making a citizens arrest of a wayward constable? If they don't respond (i think they will!) then send it again as a notice of clarification and understanding and gain an 'agreement' that way. People have pointed out that we should start being pre and pro-active - seeking agreements has to be a good option don't you think?

daveiron - thanks for linking that vid, i mentioned it in another post before i noticed you had done it.

Cheers!

by Jinxer Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:55 pm

I would love to think that what Steve says was right but it is very suspect to me and if you tried to arrest a Constable (especially if there were more than one in attendance) I would be very careful about how lawful or legal that would be for trespass.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2007/jun/08/yourrights.legal

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