alledeged letter to get rid of debt with notary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IknQh5Y56Ao


Hi please can someone say if this is legit or not and what is this notary stuff she speaks of???

Any idea how to do it??

Mainly in the UK Solicitors act as Notary's, some official documents require that a Solicitor notarises a document. I had to have one years ago when I was registering a Limited Company in the Republic of Ireland.

Very misleading Tiggy, solicitors cannot act as notaries simply because they are solicitors.

Lion, a notary does nothing but notarise and seal a document to confirm that you have signed it, they work solely under ecclesiastical law and not normal civil or criminal law as ecclesiastical law has a higher status, and any notary has to be appointed by the Archbishop of Canterbury, wonder why all the priests got away with so much, now you know.

Some solicitors pratices do have notaries working for them, in some larger practices or groups of solicitors they have their own on the books notaries while others simply use a local notary or point you in their direction by refering you if you need their services.
Some solicitors have been appointed as notaries and do both roles but this is quite rare here in the UK.

assassin wrote:Very misleading Tiggy, solicitors cannot act as notaries simply because they are solicitors.

Lion, a notary does nothing but notarise and seal a document to confirm that you have signed it, they work solely under ecclesiastical law and not normal civil or criminal law as ecclesiastical law has a higher status, and any notary has to be appointed by the Archbishop of Canterbury, wonder why all the priests got away with so much, now you know.

Some solicitors pratices do have notaries working for them, in some larger practices or groups of solicitors they have their own on the books notaries while others simply use a local notary or point you in their direction by refering you if you need their services.
Some solicitors have been appointed as notaries and do both roles but this is quite rare here in the UK.

Hi what does it mean? whats so powerful about a notary witnessing my signature in terms of dealing with loan companies.

Is this woman in the video on to something of is she just chatting rubbish?

Hi guys

Lion - it's as assassin pointed out, it's to raise your status to that of 'man' rather than 'person' (if i've read it right).

Cheers!

All Notaries are qualified lawyers and most are also solicitors who have undergone further training to qualify as Notaries.
Have you ever tried to find a qualified Lawyer these days. A notarized document is accepted as evidence without any further proof.

Hi guys

i think when a solicitor acts as notary he is recognising and confirming the 'person' but when a notary public signs he is recognising and confirming the 'man'.

i also suspect that the power of an Executor's Letter is due to an'Executor being recognised as 'man' rather than 'legal person', and that the Executor is ourself 'in propria personam' (Latin for 'of his own person').

That would also explain why the court actors turn white when a 'defendant' declares himself as Executor - this is a 'man' they can't pretend not to see and have to show deference to.

Does that chime?

The video Lion posted led me to another - "In propria personam" - Standing IN the 4th Crown of American Common Law (by lotus: justice...)

Cheers!

on the point of ecclesiastical law and men of the cloth if the old bill wanted them do they have to get consent from the Vatican i.e. give them up ?

No if a man/woman of the cloth breaks the Law then the Police can treat the same way as anyone else. Where they get away with it is there mates cover it all up for them.

Jinxer wrote:All Notaries are qualified lawyers and most are also solicitors who have undergone further training to qualify as Notaries.
Have you ever tried to find a qualified Lawyer these days. A notarized document is accepted as evidence without any further proof.

Not all notaries are lawyers at all, in point of fact the majority of them are not legally qualified.

WHAT IS A NOTARY?

A Notary is a qualified lawyer - a member of the third and oldest branch of the legal profession in England and Wales. Notaries are appointed by the Court of Faculties of the Archbishop of Canterbury and are subject to regulation by the Master of the Faculties. The rules which affect Notaries are very similar to the rules which affect Solicitors. They must be fully insured and maintain fidelity cover for the protection of their clients and the public. They must keep clients' money separately from their own and comply with stringent practice rules and rules relating to conduct and discipline. Notaries have to renew their practising certificates every year and can only do so if they have complied with the rules.
https://www.thenotariessociety.org.uk/pages/what-is-a-notary

Hi guys

Perhaps a 'notary' and a 'notary public' are different?

Cheers!

A Notary is a qualified lawyer - a member of the third and oldest branch of the legal profession in England and Wales.

I wonder what the other 2 oldest branches of the legal profession are. Would one be a Minister maybe or a Priest. The Prime Minister must have his title from being part of the Church somehow.

Hi Jinxer

You're right, 'minister' is an ecclesiastical office - but so is 'notary'.

Cheers!

iamani wrote:Hi guys

Perhaps a 'notary' and a 'notary public' are different?

Cheers!

I wouldn't know whether that would be important or not, the same as if you needed to be a Solicitor to be a Notary or a Lawyer to be a Notary or just being a Notary, public or otherwise. But sometimes with these things attention to detail is important.

Apologies, it should have read solicitor and not lawyer.

Not all notaries are solicitors and there are currently around 850 notarys and only 150 of them are solicitors.

All Notarys have to be lawyers and everyone has to understand the difference between lawyer and a solicitor which is substantial. Notarys are governed and appointed by the Archbishop of Canterbury through the "faculties office" and they are only responsible to them and no other governing body. Solicitors are governed and regulated by a totally different body.

Notaries are lawyers under ecclesiastical law and cannot function under common law or statute law, but are permitted to undertake certain administrative functions such as checking documents and authorising them as legitimate documents with the appropriate content, and they cannot act in any criminal matter, or act for you in ANY court. They can demand an audience with a court, but only under their own validity and this would be with the County or High court due to the legislation they work under.

There are two types of notary and these are notaries and Scrivener notaries.

Solicitors can become notarys if they study ecclesiastical law and meet the current requirements, and they are appointed.

Jinxer wrote:A Notary is a qualified lawyer - a member of the third and oldest branch of the legal profession in England and Wales.

I wonder what the other 2 oldest branches of the legal profession are. Would one be a Minister maybe or a Priest. The Prime Minister must have his title from being part of the Church somehow.

The oldest law is accepted as Roman Law and dates back to Roman times.

Catholic canon law is accepted as the longest continually functioning law.

Both are pre-dated by Ancient Egyption law which dates back to 3000 BC and had a 12 book code of civil law.

Babylonian Law dates back to 1760 BC and was allegedly the first codified law.

Ancient Greek Law is accepted as the first law containing abstract law of Divine Law, Human Decree, and Custom Law and it evolved (aka common law) to include Constitutional Innovation and Democratic Law systems.

As law evolved so did many of these systems and many countries cherry picked parts of all these systems for their own benefit.

Notary is a term which has been around for over 1000 years, but they were originally appointed by the Vatican as the largest religion of the time was the catholic religion and a notary confirmed a signature on a document as valid or genuine, or if someone couldn't write as many couldn't they watched them make their mark and sealed their signature or mark as genuine; and their work was predominantly with overseas trade, usually between catholic countries. At that time there was no term of barrister or solicitor and no bodies for their appointment, monitoring, and the general term for anyone with legal learning was "Lawyer" and anyone could be self taught and become a lawyer and set themselves up working, by definition they had to be educated people (learned people) who could read and write. By being appointed by the Vatican any Notary had an allegience to the Catholic religion which was exploited by the church through history.

With the dissolution of the monasteries the notorial profession had to have a new leader in the UK and this became an office of Government responsible for overseeas trading and this has changed through history, and this is when the Archbishop of Canterbury took over the role as the highest public member of the church and he set up the faculties office and appointed a Master of Faculties solely responsible to him.

iamani

You have the wrong definition, there are many types of minister and some are associated with the church, Catholocism was big at one time and they had limited "ministers" as other titles or ranks were used, when Britain became a protestant country they hyped up the title of minister in protestant religion to get one over the catholic church.

Back to context, the term "Minister" has nothing to do with religion as in this context it is associated with "administer" or to act for or on behalf of others in a direct capacity, or a capacity of an agent to ADMINISTER the functions and duties of that group.

When a Government office has a head, they are a minister in an administrative role or function and they held the position of "administrative officer" which has been successively changed to Minister as their office works solely in a public capacity, for, and on behalf of those they are agent for.

Hi assassin

Thanks for clearing that up, but in the interest of clarity i didn't give a definition i merely pointed to the origins of the terms 'notary' and 'minister' as ecclesiastical.

The Catholic notaries were apparently the officers who noted the 'confessions' of the tortured during the inquisition and 'minister' was what the Church of England labelled it's priests.

Cheers!

I am in the South West, very thin on the ground here, notaries. i found one and took a promisery note to pay off a
tax bill, he took all my details, said he needed to check some things before notarising said promisery note, came back a week later, said he was unable to do it, Shame

iamani wrote:The Catholic notaries were apparently the officers who noted the 'confessions' of the tortured during the inquisition and 'minister' was what the Church of England labelled it's priests.

Cheers!

Well as a Catholic I had never heard that before today lol. I knew about Priests and Ministers and also C of E has Vicars but I never knew that about the confessions and torturing. I wonder if it was from the confessional box in modern times that the Priest worked out which kids they could abuse.
I was always taught that Oliver Cromwell chased down the Catholic Priests after the gunpowder plot and Priests had bolt holes or Priest holes built to hide in usually behind a fireplace.
Funny ain't it how they never teach you the things they done bad.

I went into a church once, i was a little shocked to see Jesus on a cross in a window at one end and Men in armour on a window at the other end, things that make you go HMMMMMMMMMM.

Its interesting to note the history of the notary profession as many were catholic priests originally as they were taught to read and write, unlike the rest of the population, and they were often selected as they were "learned" people as they could read and write. Funny how even today a solicitor mat refer to another solicitor on the opposing side in court as "my learned friend" which is a historical term with an actual meaning.

iamani, it is often thought that the term "minsiter" was chosen for Government officials as it related to the church, who at that time were extremely powerful and had a lot of influence over both Protestants and Catholics, and this was a play on words to dupe the people into thinking the office held power which it didn't, oh, the power of words and manipulation.

Wildhorse: weren't the Knights Templar fighting priests? it certainly makes you think.

I think the word fighting kind of sums it all up.

True, but the church preaching peace while trying to grab power is hypocricy of the worst kind.