Dealing with house deeds as a Man?

by toolapcblack Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:22 pm

Hi all,
Buying a house no mortgage so will getting house deeds due to conveyancing shortly what would be the best way to deal with these as I really don't want to sign them as the person (legal fiction crown copyright)? As from my understanding this in reality just transfers the property to the crown (regis)ter

I have also heard of getting the property's latitude and longitude then claiming this as my right to shelter?

Thanks in advance

by flyingfish Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:11 am

I'm assuming you're in the UK, if so then is the property already registered at the Land Registry? It's possible that it's still unregistered if the previous owner bought it a while ago and hasn't changed mortgage or done any of the other things that would trigger first registration.
You can check on the Land Registry, if unregistered it will show "No information available"
https://eservices.landregistry.gov.uk/eservices/FindAProperty/view/QuickEnquiryInit.do

by toolapcblack Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:21 am

It is in Northern Ireland so Land registry not applicable.
If I let the solicitors over see the money exchange can I just claim a right for shelter (as at that point no one else will/can claim it) by using the longitude and latitude coordinates putting a sign up on the land to that effect and sending a letter to the relevant authority (and maybe posting it in a local newspaper)?

by flyingfish Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:24 pm

Northern Ireland has its own separate Land Registry, the details and terminology are different but the principles are the same. If the property is already registered then the registry will show the previous owner as proprietor, and you probably wouldn't want that to remain.

by toolapcblack Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:37 pm

I would rather not register under the legal fiction crown copyrighted name. Any suggestions on how to do this correctly?

by flyingfish Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:46 am

First thing is to find out if it is already registered. This will determine what options might be available to you.
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/how-find-property-and-land-information

by toolapcblack Fri Jan 29, 2021 4:25 pm

Registered or not I dont think it matters as Universal law trumps anything regis to the crown after all the people originally put them into place to make our lives easier (for organizing our affairs) but they have betrayed Us all with their illegal defacto goverments!

I am thing of just placing the coordinates on the record

by flyingfish Fri Jan 29, 2021 4:40 pm

It matters because if the land is registered the proprietor on the register has his absolute right to the property guaranteed by the state. So if it's registered to the existing owner and you do nothing about it then his rights would be hanging over you for ever, taking precedence over yours. It would be just asking for some sort of land fraud against you - except it wouldn't be seen as fraud as he would still be the legal owner. Nothing you put "on record" anywhere else is going to trump the register.

by toolapcblack Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:29 pm

an update just got this back from solicitors extract below also there is a leasehold indenture on the land (i have a copy of the indenture):
"The property is registered in the Registry of Deeds and so will be subject to first registration in the Land Registry. The property is leasehold and is subject to a 8900 year Lease . We enclose copy of the Lease and would be obliged if you would confirm that the map attached correctly shows the property which you intend to purchase."

by flyingfish Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:09 am

Is your solicitor prepared to go ahead without registering the property? I can see it being leasehold as possibly being an issue, with the Freeholder being another interested party.

by toolapcblack Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:14 pm

They have quoted a Land Registry fee.
Two months into the sale and they send Us the info that its a Leasehold (I have checked all prior paperwork and its not mentioned), I would never have offered on it in the first place had I Known this

by **daveiron** Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:46 pm

Could you inform them that you will only purchase if granted freehold title?

by toolapcblack Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:28 pm

just asked that Dave thanks, apparently We can buy the Freehold Title out only after purchase.
Also it has never been sold for cash before (it has passed down through family only)that is the reason it is not registered on land reg

by **daveiron** Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:08 pm

Thats good ,its a step foreward , Be sure to get a written agreement regarding
sale of freehold before you exchange especially the price.

by flyingfish Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:55 pm

toolapcblack wrote:Two months into the sale and they send Us the info that its a Leasehold (I have checked all prior paperwork and its not mentioned), I would never have offered on it in the first place had I Known this

That's a pretty big omission, in other parts of the UK something like that cropping up only during conveyancing would certainly allow you to cancel. At what stage does the sale become final in NI? If you can buy out the Freehold once you're the owner, why can't the existing owner do so right now? I'd be suspicious of this, unless the seller is also the Freeholder then how can he make a commitment on their behalf?

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