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Post by handle on Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:25 pm


Why does the fire not collapse the steel in this building?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40269625
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Post by mitch on Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:21 pm

That's what i was thinking (official 9/11 narrative claims it was office fires that brought down all three WTC towers No

http://www.dw.com/en/london-fire-several-dead-after-blaze-destroys-tower-block/a-39244020
"...police said they were called to the scene of the blaze at 1:16 a.m. local time...":

http://copycateffect.blogspot.de/2017/06/grenfell-tower-fire.html
A fire of unknown origins started shortly before 1 a.m. on 14 June 2017 at the 24-story Grenfell Tower apartment block in North Kensington, West London, England. The call to the fire brigade is recorded for 1:16 (911=Back to the Future).



(Above scene is taken just before the terrorist attack in the film...in fact the entire film is riddled with 9/11 predictive programming refs)

By coincidence, a large "11" was visible at the beginning of the fire, or was it an "H" = 8?
The code section address of Grenfell Tower is W11. (News @15:28 says 6 dead, 20 injured so that's another 9/11 right there). Also in number of dead (6) + 11 in the post code. So this event could be an elite ritual sacrifice ?

Andrew Goldman director of company responsible for Grenfell Tower refurbishment admits he is clueless over what cladding was made from. Following last night London Massacre Mr, Goldman, director of Rydon, told Good Morning Britain: "We don't know there is any direct link between the fire and cladding."
"There are various different types of cladding and I don’t know the exact specifications..
“It’s a terrible disaster and again we want to get to the bottom as quickly as possible"
"All the materials that we used and the procedures we put in place follow health and safety guidelines.

The Grenfell name and brand is closely associated with the griffin. It was not a surprise to find that the griffin, just like the name of the brand itself, stemmed from the founding inspiration, Sir Wilfred Grenfell. The brave pioneer of Newfoundland and Labrador who had as a philanthropist doctor, almost by accident founded a global clothing phenomena. The griffin was a key part of his Grenfell family crest. The Grenfells were originally a noble family of Cornish origins in the rugged coastline of South-West England. A place where people are known for their fortitude and resilience.

http://tapnewswire.com/2017/06/the-great-fire-of-london/


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Post by handle on Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:12 pm

Also the twin pines mall poster in the back to the future film becomes the lone pine mall later in the film.

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Post by teddy2 on Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:35 am

not just me then! when i heard the morning news , my thoughts were dodgy.com at it again , all the spec of the materials smoothed over with well greased palms? .
yet as the distraction of the "bombing",london bridge, all goes quiet , election. what better fear bomb than a building and worse still other potential buildings the same .fire proof materials would only be allowed however it engulfed in minutes? planned or dodgy scrutiny ? . the numerology at play again .
what ever the game plan its desperate.



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no apology needed......

Post by toolapcblack on Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:35 am

no apology needed for swearing guy is the opposite of these crisis actors at the staged events!!
yeah good post leipzigconnection, i watched that last night and came to the same conclusion....10 million refurbishment last year, never any problems before......100% social cleansing, he is wide awake!

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Post by daveiron on Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:38 am

I dont know how to post it,but there is a very good link on greg hallets facebook page that was sent to me today.

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Post by Awoken2 on Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:54 am

Unless that building's recent renovations used only the most combustible materials known to man I'm struggling to see a fire caused and propagated by natural causes here.

As I'm writing this the tower is still burning...34 hrs later! The pictures on TV show how intense the flames were. How can a fire rage like that unless there was  materials throughout that building that were extremely flammable?  

The point being if you would have saturated a 28 storey stone constructed block of flats in petrol and set it alight it wouldn't have burned with the same intensity as what we have all witnessed here.

The fact that all the residents had specific instructions to stay in their rooms in the event of a fire is even more disturbing, especially when there was no sprinkler system in place. The fact that over 90% of the residents were Muslims also could be used to inflame religious tensions is also very worrying.

London Bridge attack, Manchester concert and now this?...... And more worryingly, what's next?


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Post by Ferry Man on Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:26 am

I think the implication is that highly combustable materials were used in the construction or reconstruction rather.

It is no secret to any one who has ever had to live in LA or HA housing that quality, safety and professional workmanship are quite low down the order of priorities.

Cutting costs, maximising revenue and profits for stakeholders is what matters, accident of something more sinister this horrific fire could have been avoided big time, yet those who could have acted chose not too.

It does make you wonder why a tower block is built so high when fire hoses can only spray half way up and their was not even a sprinkler system or fire alarm system.

Relief of the poor remember, relief of the poor!

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Post by Sed Ut Perspiciatis on Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:07 pm

handle wrote:Also the twin pines mall poster in the back to the future film becomes the lone pine mall later in the film.

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Re: 24 Storey Tower on Fire in Kensington - dies

Post by Awoken2 on Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:08 pm

Naaaah, they obviously didn't use that military grade thermite, that's why.
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Re: 24 Storey Tower on Fire in Kensington - dies

Post by handle on Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:55 pm

Just been facaded
http://www.harleyfacades.co.uk/page/grenfell-tower-626

And not just that tower. Now every maniac  with a lighter will approach the other towers on the list.

https://www.celotex.co.uk/assets/rainscreen-compliance_specificationguide_mar15.pdf

1 day ago - In the original planning application, submitted on October 2012, zinc rainscreen cladding was listed alongside Celotex FR5000, a type of insulation which has high fire resistance.

IT WAS ACTUALLY RS500

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Post by Society of the Spectacle on Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:08 pm

First Younk Peaky ( no relation to an australian gentlemen )
I Mirrored this one,
because it was from a BBC LIVE prog,
and i have a feeling they wont be saving it,
and in case you cant quite see,
the thumbnail is an image of the election results in which
Labour won by just "20" votes.

and a Local gentlemen comments on recent work carried out.
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Post by midnight on Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:14 pm

Main stream media claim that there are 17 dead, but Lily Allen wanted to know why the main stream media were not reporting the unofficial death toll of upto 150 dead. This is what was stated on channel four news tonight by Lily Allen to Jon Snow. Snow confirmed that the figure of 150 dead was know to the main stream media, but the main stream media could only report the official figure of 17 as that was what had been confirmed.

https://www.channel4.com/news/lily-allen-the-government-is-trying-to-micromanage-grief


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Post by handle on Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:57 pm

Midnight good find

People, look from 3:50 of that video. 150 died.

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Post by iamani on Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:15 pm

Hi all

That peaky knows what's what. i don't think he'll be further quoted on msm however good the obvious headline.

Cheers!

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Post by Awoken2 on Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:33 pm

No doubt that the plans for redevelopment are well in hand.
Some prime real estate in Notting Hill? Not for social housing thank you very much.

Now the interesting thing here is that Frank Lowy who just happens to be chairman of the Westfield group, the nearest Westfield Centre being right next to the Grenfell towers was the same Frank Lowy that purchased the lease of the Twin Towers in NY with his billionaire friend Larry Silverstein just before they turned to dust.

Unfortunately old Larry let slip in one of the few interviews he's done that the plans for the new Trade Centre 7 were completed in the year 2000, about 12 months before his fortuitous insurance claim

Kind of déjà vu me thinks.
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Post by iamani on Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:10 am

Hi Awoken2

Wow! No way! Same guy? That's too far surely! You'd think this would really wake people up, but that fluoride is good s#!t, man!

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Post by Awoken2 on Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:25 am

The very same man but hey I'm just a conspiracy theorist. Rolling Eyes
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Post by assassin on Fri Jun 16, 2017 3:21 am

Let me throw a little light on this.

There are various building requirements which have to be met here and elsewhere, first we need to look at the construction method, was it a steel portal frame, poured concrete frame, or a steel reinforced frame, and why did it need cladding.

The requirements now are that all structures now need fire protection and this depends on a number of factors, with only one emergency egress down the centre of the building, at the time of refurbishment it would need at least one dry riser, a sprinkler system, and smoke alarms in every flat, why weren't these installed. In reality most buildings of this type have at least two dry risers and a connected fire alarm system to the local call handling centre to summon the fire brigade immediately, where was it? Why weren't these systems installed at the time of refurbishment as is legally required as they have to be retro fitted and there is no excuse for not fitting them so why weren't they fitted and who is responsible for such a clear omission.

Why was cladding even fitted to the outside, OK, it was insulated, but all cladding must comply with the regulations, and yes we do have a cladding division and I do actually know about this stuff, if it doesn't conform to standards and you cannot supply a Certificate of Conformity it cannot be used, its that simple. Why is the focus on the cladding.
There are various requirements for cladding, in simple terms it gets tougher for taller buildings and those with multi occupancy.

If I put my Contract Managers head back on - there is a tender stage where the requirements are packaged into a series of requirements and put out to tender, the main contractor takes these and the measurements (usually from drawings) and tenders are submitted. I cannot personally believe that any main contractor would miss such glaring omissions such as dry risers, fire alarms, and protection of the only means of egress, already it stinks. No sub contractor would make so many glaring omissions, and we work as both main contractor and sub contractor on many projects, then of course we have the numerous staff involved at both the council/Housing Association, the main contractor, and the sub contractors.

We are being led to believe that all these people made the same glaring errors, sorry I dont believe it.

It was reported on the radio news that the fire was well ablaze and there was no chance of the building collapsing; how did they know this? are the firefighters all structural engineers who could fully examine the building? more misinformation. Who made this judgement and what are their credentials.

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Post by handle on Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:29 am

Peaky could be a stooge. He keeps highlighting £10m spent on the building........providing plausible deniability.

Think, why would mainstream put on a seeming conspiracist. He is not. His allegations speak in a conspiracist way but slips in financial facts.

That's why the cameraman does not change his position to film his face, covered by his hair and looks like covering part of his mouth with a scarf.

Something dodgy here

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