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THE CENSUS, ARE YOU IN THEIR WAREHOUSE? BC, SECURITISATION

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Post by Waffle on Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:38 pm

Who is the Registrar General?

(5)Service as Registrar General is not service in the civil service of the Crown; but the Registrar General is a Crown servant for the purposes of the Official Secrets Act 1989.”

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2007/18/part/2

The birth registration is only performed by GRO as a discharge of civil functions on behalf of the Crown, however, the GRO are clearly not part of the Civil system. They are sworn to secrecy under the Official Secrets Act, so no wonder no one is getting anywhere by asking questions.

Who does the GRO work for?

2. General Register Office.

The offices of the Registrar General shall be known as the General Register Office and any place in which any registers or records in the custody of the Registrar General by virtue of this or any other Act are deposited by direction of the Registrar General with the approval of the Treasury shall, so long as those registers or records are there deposited, be deemed to be part of the General Register Office.

3 And be it enacted, That every Office or Place where any Registers or Records which by this or any other Act are directed to be in the Custody of the Registrar General shall be deposited by Direction of the Registrar General, with the Approval of the Lord HighTreasurer, or Three or more Commissioners of Her Majesty's Treasury, shall be deemed to be a Branch or Part of the General Register Ofice, so long as such Registers or Records’ shall remains therein, and the Execution of this Act shall be deemed to be a Part of the Busines of the General Register Office.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1840/92/pdfs/ukpga_18400092_en.pdf

The Registrar General DEPOSITS registers at the discretion of the Lord Hight Treasurer and Treasury Commissioners. It is still unclear to me who or what system the GRO are working for, but they are keeping registers for HM Treasury.

Lets see how the Debt Management Office (a department of the Treasury) describes registers in their glossary of terms.

Register; Record of ownership of securities. For all gilts except those that are bearer bonds, entry in an official register confers title.

http://www.dmo.gov.uk/index.aspx?page=Links/Glossary

A register is a record of ownership of securities, which are assets to the owner.... Here is how HM Treasury describes assets

Asset
Anything of positive economic value that can be owned or controlled.

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20130102170909/http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/junebudget_glossary.htm

Could the Treasury have a controlling positive economic value based on us as an asset, as securities to raise monetary value. This is HM Treasuries definition of National Debt.

National debt
The total amount of debt owed by a government, raised through borrowing from individuals and institutions. It is the sum total of all previously incurred deficits that have not been paid.

So the government needs to borrow money from individuals and institutions to pay its way. I wonder what type of individuals and institutions the Government borrows this money from......

One feature of UK government borrowing is that, 75% of the debt we are borrowing from UK citizens and UK institutions. It is like a transfer from pension funds to the government.

http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/4098/economics/who-does-the-uk-owe-money-to/

The UK government debt amounted to £1.56 trillion in 2015.

The government owes us around 75% of that!



A little history on how the census began;

Census; early 17th cent. (denoting a poll tax): from Latin, applied to the registration of citizens and property in ancient Rome, usually for taxation, from censere ‘assess’. The current sense dates from the mid 18th cent.


2 Duty of Registrar-General to carry out census, and provision for expenses.

(1)It shall be the duty of [F1the Statistics Board in relation to England and Wales and the Registrar General for Scotland in relation to Scotland] to make such arrangements and do all such things as are necessary for the taking of a census in accordance with the provisions of this Act and of any Order in Council or regulations made thereunder, and for that purpose to make arrangements for the preparation and issue of the necessary forms and instructions and for the collection of the forms when filled up.

[F(2)The Statistics Board in the exercise of its powers and in the performance of its duties under this Act or under any Order in Council or regulations made thereunder shall be subject to the control of, and comply with any directions given by, the Minister for the Cabinet Office.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1920/41/pdfs/ukpga_19200041_en.pdf

25Census etc

(1)The functions of the Registrar General for England and Wales under the enactments specified in subsection (2) are transferred to the Board.

(2)Those enactments are—

(a)the Census Act 1920 (c. 41) (censuses);

(b)section 19 of the Registration Service Act 1953 (c. 37) (annual abstract of number of births, deaths and marriages);

(c)paragraph 5(a) and (c) of Schedule 1 to the Parliamentary Constituencies Act 1986 (c. 56) (function as assessor to Boundary Commission for England and Boundary Commission for Wales).

(3)Schedule 1 (which makes consequential and supplementary provision relating to the transfer of functions under subsection (1)) has effect.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2007/18/section/25

The census is a stock take of property of value mainly for taxation purposes. It was originally the duty of the GRO, but they transferred their functions to the Office of National Statistics under an Order titled:

DISCLOSURE OF INFORMATION

OFFICIAL STATISTICS

REGISTRATION OF BIRTHS, DEATHS & MARRIAGES, ETC.

STATISTICS BOARD

The Statistics and Registration Service Act 2007 (Commencement No. 1) Order 2007

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2008/839/introduction/made

This Statutory Instrument/Order was a major part of the enactment clause for the the Statistics and Registration Service Act 2007. This act alone shows the combination of Birth registrations with the census of the Office of National Statistics, topical within it is the issuance of "index related gilt edged securities".

Before we get to that, what does the GRO hold on behalf of HM Treasury.......

30 Searches of indexes kept by Registrar General.

(1)The Registrar General shall cause indexes of all certified copies of entries in registers sent to him under this Act or under any enactment repealed by this Act to be made and kept in the General Register Office.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Eliz2/1-2/20/section/30

In the United Kingdom, the Retail Prices index or Retail Price Index (RPI) is a measure of inflation published monthly by the Office for National Statistics.

20Production of statistics

(1)The Board may itself produce and publish statistics relating to any matter relating to the United Kingdom or any part of it.

(2)The Board may at any time publish information or give advice on statistics produced under subsection (1).

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2007/18/section/2021Retail prices index

(1)The Board must under section 20—

(a)compile and maintain the retail prices index, and

(b)publish it every month.

(2)Before making any change to the coverage or the basic calculation of the retail prices index, the Board must consult the Bank of England as to whether the change constitutes a fundamental change in the index which would be materially detrimental to the interests of the holders of relevant index-linked gilt-edged securities.

(3)If the Bank of England considers that the change constitutes a fundamental change in the index which would be materially detrimental to the interests of the holders of relevant index-linked gilt-edged securities, the Board may not make the change without the consent of the Chancellor of the Exchequer.

(4)In this section —
“index-linked gilt-edged securities” means securities issued under section 12 of the National Loans Act 1968 (c. 13) the amount of the payments under which is determined wholly or partly by reference to the retail prices index;

“relevant index-linked gilt-edged securities” means index-linked gilt-edged securities issued before the commencement of this section subject to a prospectus containing provision relating to early redemption in the event of a change to the retail prices index;

“retail prices index” means the United Kingdom General Index of Retail Prices

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2007/18/section/21

Section 12 subsection 2 of the National Loans Act 1968 says;

(2)For the purpose of raising money under this section the Treasury may create and issue such securities, at such rates of interest and subject to such conditions as to repayment, redemption and other matters (including provision for a sinking fund) as they think fit.

It goes right back to HM Treasury and the issuance of index related gilt edge securities, indexed in registers kept by the GRO that contain the proof of ownership of the children who's title was granted the the sovereign as an asset by their parents.

Just incase we are wondering why we all have a system number on our BC's...... In this case though we should probably be looking our system number as a title number to their asset.

1 Unlawful disclosure of information.

In section 8 of the M1Census Act 1920 (penalties), the following subsections shall be substituted for subsection (2)—
“(2)If the Registrar-General for England and Wales or the Registrar-General for Scotland (“the Registrars”) or any person who is—
(a)under the control of either of the Registrars; or

(b)a supplier of any services to either of them, discloses any personal census information to another person, without lawful authority, he shall be guilty of an offence.

“personal census information” means any census information which relates to an identifiable person or household.”

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1991/6/section/1

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2007/18/section/39


THE CENSUS.....

ARE YOU IN THEIR WAREHOUSE?

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Post by iamani on Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:19 pm

Hi Waffle

i enjoyed that.

Cheers!

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Post by Waffle on Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:27 pm

Thanks Lamani, obv this type of info has been floating around but its good to see it in the acts. Im thinking of it as ammunition..... Some FOI's should be coming soon, providing the Official Secrets Act doesn't stand in the way Surprised)

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Post by iamani on Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:48 pm

Hi Waffle

You're really working it aren't you? Good man. Hopefully they didn't get the scriveners to answer your FOI's.

Bit of anogogy for you: 'Dr.' - if it's an abbreviation of 'Doctor' then it should read 'D'r.'

However it works as an abbreviation of 'Death registrar' remarkably well!

Which led me on a flight of fancy into considering whether 'Mr.' could possibly be an abbreviation of 'Mind representative'.......

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Post by Waffle on Sun Jul 16, 2017 12:53 am

Registration Service Act 1953 (c. 37)

7.  In section 21 of the Registration Service Act 1953 (interpretation), in the definition of “the Minister”, for “the Chancellor of the Exchequer” substitute “the Secretary of State”.

[F119AFunctions relating to transmission of information to Secretary of State

(1)The functions of a registrar of births and deaths, a superintendent registrar and the Registrar General include the power to—

(a)transmit information contained in a declaration made under section 9(1) of the Births and Deaths Registration Act 1953 or entered in a register of births to the Secretary of State, and

(b)verify such information for the Secretary of State,for the purposes of the service in subsection (2).

(2)That service is a service operated by the Secretary of State by which—

(a)individuals may transmit information about births to the Secretary of State, and

(b)that information may be transmitted to other persons by the Secretary of State.

(3)References in subsections (1) and (2) to the Secretary of State include persons providing services to the Secretary of State for the purpose of the service referred in subsection (2).

(4)This section does not authorise any disclosure which is unlawful—

(a)by virtue of any enactment, or

(b)by reason of the law relating to confidentiality or privacy.]

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Eliz2/1-2/37/section/19A


9 Giving of information to a person other than the registrar.

(1)Any person required by or under this Act to give information to the registrar concerning a birth may give that information by making and signing in the presence of and delivering to such officer as may be prescribed a declaration in writing of the particulars required to be registered concerning the birth.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Eliz2/1-2/20/section/9


The first section above is linked to the Welfare Reform Act 2012

Linking funds transferred to approval or at least evidence of the registered BC to the Chancellor of the Exchequer.....    

Welfare = NINO and the Chancellor of the exchequer = HM Treasury


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Post by Waffle on Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:11 pm

Bit of a rant here, but given the information above its just deserved.

Its there and we as beneficiaries have to power the discharge and appoint new trustees absolutely and are absolutely entitled to the RES as long as we know whats in the res, are of full age and capacity together. They are using a blind trust and construing a relationship over our corporation de jure as though they are the beneficiaries and we are the trustees, invoking controlling powers over the corp de jure forcing us into performance to generate value for the sovereign. They owe us the money from the national debt, how are they borrowing trillions of pounds off us, why is it all sat there for them to borrow and we are out here battling to get from day to day..... We have no assets, no land, no property it ALL vests in the sovereign, the land we hold is just that, its holdings of tenures and all we buy are rights to that land. The banks have hiked up the prices of property a 10 fold in just 30 years, houses are 10 times the price of what they were 30 years ago and all we are buying is rights to the holdings. To get from day to day almost everyone has credit of some sort, the banks have there own hold over us, by inflating the economy to a level unsustainable for the average persons salary we have to borrow, therefore they stay in business using us as their assets, draining every ounce of energy we have. Its not just the banks, energy companies depend on our energy, they are our resources and those energy companies are capitalising off our land, our homes that we don't own. Let me ask you all this, if someone placed solar pannels or ran cables or pipework through your land to make profits off and didn't share those profits with you, what would you do? They use our land to CAPITALISE on and none of us charge them for this! Why are we not charging utility companies for having "their" equipment running through our back gardens to profit off. Are we just giving everything away, its your garden I don't care if the equipment is above or below ground its YOUR land start charging these life sucking creatures for profiting from your land. We have to make a stand enough is enough, we are lied to right from the very minute we are born, our parents are tricked under the Official Sectrets Act into thinking they are registering their children under civil registration, the GRO are not civil servants and are lying under the secrecy act about who and what they are and what are doing. Thats right from day one, take back from these corps what is rightfully yours start charging them for capitalising on your property, its your property, you wouldn't let someone sleep in your house for 10 years and not pay rent, why are you letting pipes lay sleeping under your garden without paying rent? start charging these utility companies rent for CAPITALISING on your property, your holding, you have a right to do that, its your holding.

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Post by iamani on Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:47 am

Hi Waffle

You've certainly given us a lot to think about with this thread fella.....

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Post by honeyaisle on Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:04 pm

A bit easier to read, hope you don't mind waffle.


Its there and we as beneficiaries have to power the discharge and appoint new trustees absolutely and are absolutely entitled to the RES as long as we know whats in the res, are of full age and capacity together.
They are using a blind trust and construing a relationship over our corporation de jure as though they are the beneficiaries and we are the trustees, invoking controlling powers over the corp de jure forcing us into performance to generate value for the sovereign. They owe us the money from the national debt, how are they borrowing trillions of pounds off us, why is it all sat there for them to borrow and we are out here battling to get from day to day....

We have no assets, no land, no property it ALL vests in the sovereign, the land we hold is just that, its holdings of tenures and all we buy are rights to that land. The banks have hiked up the prices of property a 10 fold in just 30 years, houses are 10 times the price of what they were 30 years ago and all we are buying is rights to the holdings.
To get from day to day almost everyone has credit of some sort, the banks have there own hold over us, by inflating the economy to a level unsustainable for the average persons salary we have to borrow, therefore they stay in business using us as their assets, draining every ounce of energy we have. Its not just the banks, energy companies depend on our energy, they are our resources and those energy companies are capitalising off our land, our homes that we don't own.
Let me ask you all this, if someone placed solar pannels or ran cables or pipework through your land to make profits off and didn't share those profits with you, what would you do?
They use our land to CAPITALISE on and none of us charge them for this!
Why are we not charging utility companies for having "their" equipment running through our back gardens to profit off. Are we just giving everything away, its your garden I don't care if the equipment is above or below ground its YOUR land start charging these life sucking creatures for profiting from your land.

We have to make a stand enough is enough, we are lied to right from the very minute we are born, our parents are tricked under the Official Sectrets Act into thinking they are registering their children under civil registration, the GRO are not civil servants and are lying under the secrecy act about who and what they are and what are doing. Thats right from day one, take back from these corps what is rightfully yours start charging them for capitalising on your property, its your property, you wouldn't let someone sleep in your house for 10 years and not pay rent, why are you letting pipes lay sleeping under your garden without paying rent? start charging these utility companies rent for CAPITALISING on your property, your holding, you have a right to do that, its your holding.

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Post by Society of the Spectacle on Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:19 pm

Its not YOUR TRUST,
It's your Slave BOND of Ownership.
The Value is an estimate on how much Revenue you are likely to Generate for your OWNER // MASTER // MASSA.
And that Value is Used to Raise LOANS:

AN FOI; suggestion ,
would ask the question of weather Loans have been Raised using my birth certificate as security.
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Post by Waffle on Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:44 pm

I can see how the valuation or cestui que vie, as one would put it, is measured against our anticipated output, but there is still a perpetual account held by the treasury with a title number that corresponds to our person, meaning titles have been split. Therefore there is a trust that is directly linked to our persons, which we evidentially know very little about.

The person that is registered is a registered security, its an unincorporated body and an asset to the sovereign, not the crown, thats what the slave is, the person. HM Treasury appear as trustee, we act as trustee by paying for all the STRAWMANS liabilities, but we or the STRAWMAN are also beneficiary in terms of certain rights, privileges and benefits, hence the title (rights etc in a bundle) has been split and there is an account directly linked to us that we have entailed and beneficial interests in, that is in escrow, because we don't know how to order the perpetual estate. Which is why there is so much money backed up. The City of London were doing it to the orphans, retaining their inheritance, their estates to satisfy their own debts. More work needs to be done for the research to be conclusive, we can't keep depending on the research of others and making assumptions as to what is without the evidence. This is where I am at, we'll see if they reply to the FOI.......

We need to free our minds from the shackles and stop getting into contracts and agreements bonding the slave, that is where the problems lay, easier said than done I know, but there are ways out of this mess, its up to us to set it up and make it easier for the next generation.

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Post by Waffle on Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:58 pm

12“Crown servant” and “government contractor”.

(1)In this Act “Crown servant” means—

(a)a Minister of the Crown;
F1 [( aa )a member of the Scottish Executive or a junior Scottish Minister;]
[F2(ab)the First Minister for Wales, a Welsh Minister appointed under section 48 of the Government of Wales Act 2006, the Counsel General to the Welsh Assembly Government or a Deputy Welsh Minister;]
F3
(b)a person appointed under section 8 of the M1Northern Ireland Constitution Act 1973 (the Northern Ireland Executive etc.);

(c)any person employed in the civil service of the Crown, including Her Majesty’s Diplomatic Service, Her Majesty’s Overseas Civil Service, the civil service of Northern Ireland and the Northern Ireland Court Service;

(d)any member of the naval, military or air forces of the Crown, including any person employed by an association established for the purposes of [F4Part XI of the Reserve Forces Act 1996];

(e)any constable and any other person employed or appointed in or for the purposes of any police force [F5(including the Police Service of Northern Ireland and the Police Service of Northern Ireland Reserve)][F6 or ][F7 an NCA special (within the meaning of Part 1 of the Crime and Courts Act 2013) ] ;

(f)any person who is a member or employee of a prescribed body or a body of a prescribed class and either is prescribed for the purposes of this paragraph or belongs to a prescribed class of members or employees of any such body;

(g)any person who is the holder of a prescribed office or who is an employee of such a holder and either is prescribed for the purposes of this paragraph or belongs to a prescribed class of such employees.

(2)In this Act “government contractor” means, subject to subsection (3) below, any person who is not a Crown servant but who provides, or is employed in the provision of, goods or services—

(a)for the purposes of any Minister or person mentioned in paragraph (a)[F8 , (ab) ] or (b) of subsection (1) above, [F9of any office-holder in the Scottish Administration,]of any of the services, forces or bodies mentioned in that subsection or of the holder of any office prescribed under that subsection;
F10 [( aa )] . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

(b)under an agreement or arrangement certified by the Secretary of State as being one to which the government of a State other than the United Kingdom or an international organisation is a party or which is subordinate to, or made for the purposes of implementing, any such agreement or arrangement.

(3)Where an employee or class of employees of any body, or of any holder of an office, is prescribed by an order made for the purposes of subsection (1) above—

(a)any employee of that body, or of the holder of that office, who is not prescribed or is not within the prescribed class; and

(b)any person who does not provide, or is not employed in the provision of, goods or services for the purposes of the performance of those functions of the body or the holder of the office in connection with which the employee or prescribed class of employees is engaged,shall not be a government contractor for the purposes of this Act.
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( 4 ) In this section “ office-holder in the Scottish Administration ” has the same meaning as in section 126(7)(a) of the Scotland Act 1998. ]
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(4A)In this section the reference to a police force includes a reference to the Civil Nuclear Constabulary.]
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( 5 )This Act shall apply to the following as it applies to persons falling within the definition of Crown servant—

(a)the First Minister and deputy First Minister in Northern Ireland; and

(b)Northern Ireland Ministers and junior Ministers.]

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1989/6/section/12


Above the definition of a Crown Servant, the GRO is a servant of the Crown for the purposes of this act only and not actually a Crown Servant. The act is quite interesting, below are the two subsections (5,6,7 & 8 ) I believe on the face of it could be the purposes the GRO is serving as a Servant of the Crown.

5. Information resulting from unauthorised disclosures or entrusted in confidence.
6. Information entrusted in confidence to other States or international organisations.
7. Authorised disclosures.
8. Safeguarding of information.


This is from s12 of the Official Secrets Act 1911, anyone else notice the title split?

Any reference to a place belonging to His Majesty includes a place belonging to any department of the Government of the United Kingdom or of any British possessions, whether the place is or is not actually vested in His Majesty;

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Post by Waffle on Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:31 pm

“in this act and in every act passing after the commencement of this act the expression “person” shall, unless contrary intention appears, include any body of persons corporate or unincorporate”.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1889/63/pdfs/ukpga_18890063_en.pdf

What is being registered? the birth of a child....

Here is BLD9's definition of child.

child. (bef. 12c) 1. A person under the age of majority.
2. Hist. At common law, a person who has not reached
the age of 14.3. A boyar girl; a young person. 4. A son
or daughter.

We could also look into ecclesiastical terminology which describes a child as a servant, does the child ever truly reach of age????

Hist, 14 was also the age you used to be able to order your estate. However, it is most certainly the time you can come of age, as an adult, but thats not in the Civil Kingdom. From the quote at the top of this thread non of this may be that relevant to the Civil Kingdom anyway, there are two of course......

Definitions of child/children from BLD4

Natural Child

A bastard (q. .v.); a child born out of lawful
wedlock. But in a statute declaring that adopted
shall have all the rights of "natural" children, the
word "natural" was used in the sense of "legitimate."
Barns v. Allen, 9 Am.Law Reg., 0.S., 747.
In Louisiana. Illegitimate children who have been
acknowledged by the father. Civ.Code La. art.
202. In. the civil law. A child by natural relation
or procreation; a child by birth, as distinguished
from a child by adoption. Inst. 1, 11, pr.; Id. 3, 1,
2; Id. 3, 8 pr. See, also, Conner v. Parsley, 192
Ky. 827, 234 S.W. 972, 974; Middletown Trust Co.
v. Gaffey, 96 Conn. 61, 112 A. 689, 691.
A child by concubinage, in contradistinction to
a child by marriage. Cod. 5, 27.

The words "child or children," in their usual sense, are
words of purchase. Phillips v. Mercantile Trust Co. of
Baltimore, 195 A. 394, 395, 173 Md. 290; Kelly v. Kelly,
176 Ark. 548, 3 S.W.2d 305; Deener v. Watkins, 191 Ark.
776, 87 S.W.2d 994, 995; they may, however, be used as
words of limitation, Bonds v. Hutchison, 199 S.C. 197, 18 S.
E-2d 661, 662, 663; Crawford v. Withrow, 314 Pa. 497, 171
A. 894, 895; Young v. Munsey Trust Co., 72 App.D.C. 73,
111 F.2d 514, 515.

NATURAL CHILDREN. In the phraseology of the English or American law, natural children are children born out of wedlock, or bastards, and are distinguished from legitimate children; but in the language of the civil law, natural are distinguished from adoptive children, that is, they are the children of the parents spoken of, by natural procreation.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Natural+children

Legitimate
To make lawful, such as when a child is born prior to the parents' marriage and they subsequently wed and thereby confer upon the child the same legal status as those born in lawful wedlock.

That which is lawful, legal, recognized by law, or in accordance with law, such as legitimate children or legitimate authority; real, valid, or genuine.


Is it still illegal or unlawful to be born out of wedlock??? What is going on here??? And if you were born by natural procreation under civil law then you really are in deep doo doo. Natural procreation is a big no no, born of a virgin thee shal be, or thee shal be....... Smile

One for reading later.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/embezzlement

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Post by Society of the Spectacle on Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:42 pm

WEDLOCK ????
Sounds like another contract with the state.
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Post by iamani on Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:03 pm

Hi Waffle

Excellent stuff fella. Three things in you last posts chimed my bell, what is the origin of 'born of a virgin you shall be' is it yours?

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Post by Waffle on Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:35 pm

That is my wording but I'll throw something out there for you, a little off topic and need more evidence to support the claim, although its one of those things where there is enough suggestion to support to the theory, I'm waiting for response from organisations that can answer the questions I have raised to make more confirmations. Two worlds one for the living and one for the dead, they run parallel to each other and have the same governing them at the very top, very strange scenario, but thats how it is.


This is the answer to your question, it is supported by the gospels, however, this is a very powerful law, one that we are all condemned for.

9. Of Original or Birth-Sin.
Original sin standeth not in the following of Adam, (as the Pelagians do vainly talk;) but it is the fault and corruption
of the Nature of every man, that naturally is engendered of the offspring of Adam; whereby man is very far gone
from original righteousness, and is of his own nature inclined to evil, so that the flesh lusteth always contrary to the
Spirit; and therefore in every person born into this world, it deserveth God's wrath and damnation. And this infection
of nature doth remain, yea in them that are regenerated; whereby the lust of the flesh, called in Greek, ,(which some
do expound the wisdom, some sensuality, some the affection, some the desire, of the flesh), is not subject to the Law
of God. And although there is no condemnation for them that believe and are baptized; yet the Apostle doth confess,
that concupiscence and lust hath of itself the nature of sin.

Its all good faith right Surprised)

What SOTS has posted out about matrimony sits very nicely with the rest.

Penal laws are still in place for the non-conformists, bastardy is one, they just changed the term to illegitimate, simple fix for them.

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Post by Waffle on Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:27 pm

Found a fascinating document thanks to SOTS input, the whole thing is worth a read, but here is a quote

"It is important that we understand that the power of legislatures to make law is granted and limited by the source of that power, which is the people. Governments are endowed by their creator, the people, with rights and privileges. The source of all law begins in the hands of the people who were endowed by their creator with certain rights".

"Marriage is a civil contract to which there are three parties - the husband, the wife and the state."

http://www.hisholychurch.net/declarations/marriage/marriagepack.pdf

Now all we need to do is revoke these rights they have been conferred......... Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad


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Post by Waffle on Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:38 pm

If a women was free from the natural bonds, protection, and cover of Family and Husband she may go under the coverture of the civil State. The State would have the former right of the Husband, who in turn would become little more than a cohort. Her children would not belong to the corpus (or body) of the Family, but to the corporation of the State, which could then claim Parentis Loci. The purpose and procedure of the civil marriage license is to bind the husband and wife and their children under the authority of the State, which the State deems to be proper.

Same document as above....

The term in loco parentis, Latin for "in the place of a parent"[1] refers to the legal responsibility of a person or organization to take on some of the functions and responsibilities of a parent. Originally derived from English common law, it is applied in two separate areas of the law.

First, it allows institutions such as colleges and schools to act in the best interests of the students as they see fit, although not allowing what would be considered violations of the students' civil liberties.[1]

Second, this doctrine can provide a non-biological parent to be given the legal rights and responsibilities of a biological parent if they have held themselves out as the parent.[2]

The in loco parentis doctrine is distinct from the doctrine of parens patriae, the psychological parent doctrine, and adoption.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_loco_parentis

So thats how they are fining us for taking our kids on holiday to Disney land during term time. In loco parens, not parens patria

SOTS that was a great piece of info you shared, I am getting a much better understanding of the relationship with the state. They might treat our children as bas***ds, but I know who the real ba***rds are.....

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