Dental Charges

by eargoggles Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:41 am

hi there ,i wonder if anyone could help .i thought i was exempt from paying dental charges has i am getting working tax credits, anyhow it turns out i`m not entitled to free dental treatment. i want to pay for my treatment, but i don`t want to pay the penalty charge of £100 , how do i proceed with this thanks
Dental Charges Dental15

by Tiggy Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:40 pm

Sorry, can't read that, can you enlarge ?

by Kestrel Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:35 pm

I like the 'bull' in the letter - "To protect public funds and increase value for taxpayers", yeah right, not about screwing people over to make a profit is it.

Are you sure you are not entitled to free dental treatment with receiving Tax Credits, take a look here:
https://www.nhsbsa.nhs.uk/help-nhs-dental-costs/free-nhs-dental-treatment

You are entitled to free NHS dental treatment if your annual family income used to work out your tax credits is £15,276 or less and you receive either:

Child Tax Credit
Working Tax Credit and Child Tax Credit paid together
Working Tax Credit including a disability element

If you meet these conditions, you will automatically receive an NHS tax credit exemption certificate.

If not them hit them with the BoEVAT Remedy as it's a charge not a 'fine':
http://boevat.org.uk/

Take note it is the scumbags Capita that run the NHS Business Service Authority, the same vermin that run TV Licensing.

by eargoggles Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:50 pm

thanks for your reply kestrel ,i`m not entitled to it i rang the blood suckers this morning i don`t get child tax credit or any disability .Yes i`ll look at boevat again . i only have while 25th march then the charges increase .i`m worried they may try an attachment of earnings .

by eargoggles Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:21 am

The BoeVat suggest sending Notice to The Legal Department of the registered office of the charging agency. BoevAT says i can find the registered office of any UK company by searching the companies house register ,i can`t seem to find this bunch. https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/
if anyone can help that would be great .thanks

by **LionsShare** Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:57 am

eargoggles wrote:The BoeVat suggest sending Notice to The Legal Department of the registered office of the charging agency. BoevAT says i can find the registered office of any UK company by searching the companies house register ,i can`t seem to find this bunch. https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/
if anyone can help that would be great .thanks

Try

https://companycheck.co.uk/

https://www.dnb.co.uk/duns-number.html

by Kestrel Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:58 am

Their letter does state if there is any exceptional reason that you should not pay the penalty charge, you could inform them it was a genuine fault you thought you were exempt, i know that many people on Jobseekers Allowance fall prey to these criminals as there are two types of it yet only one allows free dental care, so it can be confusing.

Also add that you are willing to pay for the treatment you had therefore the NHS or dentist would have no loss & that if their claims that the reason they exist (NHSBSA) is to quote them "To protect public funds and increase value for taxpayers", then they would be happy with your offer of payment to settle the debt, however if they were not happy with that then they are just another criminal body extorting money to make a profit as any legislation in place regarding their 'charges' contravenes 'The Bill of Rights 1688, which itself is also a statutary instrument so 'legally' they are not entitled to make these charges, i.e. "All fines & forfeitures are null & void prior to any court hearing"(or words to that effect). However I am realistic enough though that this piece of legislation coonstantly falls on deaf ears.

Legislation here:
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/aep/WillandMarSess2/1/2/introduction

Quote:
Grants of Fines, &c. before Conviction, &c.

And severall Grants and Promises made of Fines and Forfeitures before any Conviction or Judgement against the Persons upon whome the same were to be levyed. All which are utterly directly contrary to the knowne Lawes and Statutes and Freedome of this Realme.

I would suggest to use the address shown but head it Legal Sevices Department if you can't trace another address, if you are using the BoEVAT Remedy.

by eargoggles Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:18 pm

their job is to confuse ,thanks for the ideas ,when i was at the dentist and said i was on tax credit they had me sign an hand held computer screen, i can never sign them so i don`t even attempt it is always just a squiggle lol, , there was no mention to read any terms and conditions either. i think they`ve started off badly according to BoeVat by not signing their very first charge against me.still i`d like to know if this lot can attach anything to my earnings.

by midnight Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:40 pm

If the fine is an automated fine (regardless of what maybe stated or interpreted in their letter) then this may also be helpful to you.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/26/automatic-fines-late-tax-returns-may-not-legal-judge-rules/

Here is the meat:

The judgement, given at a first tribunal hearing of a late tax return fine in October, said such penalties are only valid if they are issued by humans.

Judge Richard Thomas said: "In my view the requirement...is for a flesh and blood human being who is an officer of HMRC to make the assessment, that is to decide to impose the penalty and give instructions which may be executed by a computer." HMRC has decided not to appeal the decision.

by eargoggles Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:37 pm

in the companies check ,last week i found two in Newcastle and one in the south all named "nhs business services authority",i`d assume it will be in newcastle but which one ? i`ve sent a letter to one but that one seems to have dissapeared off companies check. mmm

by eargoggles Sun Mar 18, 2018 12:43 pm

i received a return to sender of the letter i sent to the address i found on companies check which has now dissapeared off companies check,i will send one to the one that remains on the dun and bradstreet companies check link, didn`t know companies could have same name.?

by Gassaway_34 Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:36 am

Hey, this is quite useful share. For everyone having good dental health is the necessity because if your teeth are not healthy then eventually it will invite various other health issues as well as various eating problems too. I have just got my wisdom teeth removed because of lack of dental care but now I will surely follow all of the instructions provided by the dentist . Rolling Eyes

by Ausk Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:05 am

Kestrel wrote:I like the 'bull' in the letter - "To protect public funds and increase value for taxpayers", yeah right, not about screwing people over to make a profit is it.

Are you sure you are not entitled to free dental treatment with receiving Tax Credits, take a look here:
https://www.nhsbsa.nhs.uk/help-nhs-dental-costs/free-nhs-dental-treatment

You are entitled to free NHS dental treatment if your annual family income used to work out your tax credits is £15,276 or less and you receive either:

Child Tax Credit
Working Tax Credit and Child Tax Credit paid together
Working Tax Credit including a disability element

If you meet these conditions, you will automatically receive an NHS tax credit exemption certificate.

If not them hit them with the BoEVAT Remedy as it's a charge not a 'fine':
http://boevat.org.uk/

Take note it is the scumbags Capita that run the NHS Business Service Authority, the same vermin that run TV Licensing.

"To protect public funds and increase value for taxpayers", ..... so there is more money available for corporate welfare.

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