24 Storey Tower on Fire in Kensington - dies

Awoken2 wrote:
The pictures of blankets being dropped down the side of the building are being dropped from the EIGHTH not the fourteenth.
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....And what floor were you on again Olu? With your 14 tied bed sheets?

Listen between 1 hr 49 mins 45 secs to 1 hr 51 mins.

https://youtu.be/4iXHg8lpD9I

...Guess Olu just got busted eh?

This clip merits closer scrutiny. Take particular notice from the 5 minute 29 sec Mark where attention gets focussed on Olu's flat. These are the things to note.

Notice how abruptly Mr O Keefe answers the first three questions, he doesn't even give himself time to think about the questions before answering. He is clearly trying to distance himself from this line of questioning.

Mr O Keefe states 4 fire fighters were sent to a FSG call to a single male in room 111, that's next door to Olu. Only two fire fighters managed to get up there, they then kicked in the door of room 111 and found a single male, who's name he openly refused to name and another 7 people from the 14th floor. They then put all those people next door in room 113 because it "wasn't as smokey" then left them there saying somebody would be back to get them.

So that means 7 people were put in flat 113 with the man from 111.  And how does that correlate with Olu's version where maximum 5 people were brought to his flat.

Notice how vague his responses become when asked about the replacement fire fighters who were sent back up to room 113.

Notice his body language and the fact he has to cool himself down with 3 drinks of water in a torrid 3 minute period.

Notice that those figures scribbled on the wall bear no correlation at all to any figures recorded anywhere else.

Notice how he didn't know anything about the identity of the 2nd  team to go up to the 14th floor or if they performed a rescue or not.

He has just distanced himself from this can of worms.

https://youtu.be/iyJD9TbM91Q

The ONLY calls to the emergency services from residents of the 14th floor were as follows.

01.25. Room 111 A single occupant

01.37 Room 115 1 female 1 child

01.38 Room 115 1 female 1 child

01.40 Room 111 No number disclosed

In the control room itself it had a list of fire survival guidance calls received and actioned to the fire ground. The details of those were.

Room 113. (Inside, can't leave phone went dead) No time given, no numbers of people.

Room 115, 1 adult, 1 child

Now over in Command Unit 7, this is the main mobile base at the incident they had a board recording all information given to the fire ground via the control centre for people needing rescuing. Here it was recorded that Olu's flat contained 4 children and 1 adult and that flat had been cleared by the fire service.

At no point anywhere is it recorded that there were 2 adults and 1 child in room 113 as Olu claimed.

All the information recorded on the C/U whiteboard was recorded at least half an hour before he claimed he got out.

From what I can gather from evidence from Mr O Keefe I think if Olu was ever in the building he was in room 111 and he got out of there a good hour before he claimed he did.

As far as hanging out of his window from sheets is concerned, that just wasn't him, that happened six floors below.

Even taking verbal evidence given into account that a single male and 7 other people were put into room 113 this still does not correlate with Olu's story, in any way.

I've been through every single picture given as evidence so far, and there are lots. And not one if them puts 3 people in his flat.

Crisis actor 2. Exposed.

Here is Stephen O Donoghue's evidence. He was tasked to rescue somebody trapped on the 12th floor in flat 95 at 2am.

He didn't manage to get to the 12th floor because on the 11th floor he came across a man, woman and child, the child he estimated to be around 11 years old. They "had towels", O Donoghue then carries the child out of the building with his colleague bringing out the parents.

This again could be Olu but the QC didn't try to ascertain anything about their identity, their condition, their journey down or their general welfare.

If this is relating to Olu's escape, which could easily be inferred here then the important thing to note is that the end time of Mr O Donoghue's BA wear time was 2.40am. This again would not correlate to Olu's claims of escaping at 3.30am.

What is extremely frustrating about this inquiry is the fact that there seems to be lots of questions about who was standing where and who was saying what to whom, details which would be difficult to recall under the circumstances but really important details about the actual victims  and their condition seem to be irrelevant.

If you listen between 36 mins 30 secs to 58 mins you will hear how three anonymous people got out of the building.

https://youtu.be/moA_BumLgNw

Some disturbing facts given in evidence so far,  when put together, make this thing stink...really bad.

Send a bunch of fire fighters to a fire they have not had any training on dealing with.

Don't give them a key to get in.

Disable the automated communal fire alarms.

Give them an ineffective communication system that will not work in the environment.

Disable the fire lift.

Give all attending fire fighters via their Operational Risk Database  information relating to the building that hasn't been updated in 7 years.

Ensure some floors in the building were unidentifiable and others were identified with felt tip pen.

Ensure building has a faulty smoke ventilation system.

Cover the entire building with  highly flammable cladding which has a waterproof membrane rendering it virtually impervious to water.

Ensure the attending fire fighters have had no training whatsoever in partial or full evacuation methods in a high rise building.

Ensure the attending fire fighters have had no training in procedures to follow in the event of compartmentation failure in a high rise building.

Have no other policy in place as to how a partial or full evacuation of a high rise building could be facilitated.

Have no contingency plans in place at all if the standing stay put advice were to put the occupants at risk.

Ensure no practical improvements were made to the fire services protocols and procedures since the Lacknall House fire in 2009 where six people lost their lives under similar circumstances.

Ensure that £60 breathing sets available on the internet were not available on the night to help save people's lives.

Ensure that the initial Incident Commander takes at least 30 minutes to realise there are people actually inside the 23 storey building in the heart of London.

Create such an ineffective line of communication which would enable only 11 of 23 of the Fire Survival Guidance calls made up until 1.40am to actually get to the fire fighters doing the rescues.

Call me cynical....but

I have only dipped in & out of the livetream , but my observations are that 'I don't remember ' seem to be the answer to a vast number of questions.

daveiron wrote:I have only dipped in & out of the livetream , but my observations are that 'I don't remember ' seem to be the answer to a vast number of questions.  

...that'll be post traumatic stress amnesia Dave.... it's a new thing, an inquiry related condition. First seen after Hillsborough I believe.

It's been a good day for my sanity.

Here is Christos Fairbairn again telling Ali G's brother Low Key ...(well he sounds exactly like him) about his miraculous escape. The only thing is the fire brigade didn't receive ANY calls from a single male on the 15th floor so there were no fire fighters deployed to rescue a single male on the 15th floor.

So that must mean he dialled 6 or 7 wrong numbers.

It's also interesting that this man was able to breathe in Hydrogen Cyanide laden smoke for 5 minutes but finally succumbed to Carbon Dioxide!!

Liar Liar your lies have expired.

https://youtu.be/GOAcokPki-8

The first time I heard Richard Millet QC use this word in this inquiry I was shocked, so much so that I just had to brush it off. But he then used the word again, for a man who chooses his words very carefully I found this quite disturbing.

Well today he went to use that word again...but he managed to stop himself and use a more appropriate word for this inquiry to remain looking like a serious exercise in fact finding.

It's a word I've used myself for Grenfell. So the question has to be... why would you refer to the worst disaster by fire to occur since the second world war as an EVENT?

That's conspiracy theorists talk! In what possible context could this atrocity be seen as an event?

I've captured the moment again in this video, at exactly 53 mins 41 seconds. Shocking.

https://youtu.be/bk74aCpTdBw

Now we turn to our friend Olu. Remember his story? Daughter tethered to back? Leading his dear fam out of the building at 3.30, abandoned by fire fighters until the 4th floor? Dangling by bedsheets?

I'm afraid not.

Here is Louisa de Silvo, this is were the hot potato comes to rest. Her only task was to record deployment of fire crews to specific flats to rescue occupants and record the information.

Here we discover that three people were rescued from Olu's flat between the hours of 1.25am to 2.15am. When I say rescued I mean being carried or lead out as Louisa says herself, not sign posted out as Olu claimed.

She says room 113 sticks in her mind because they were "getting call after call" from room 113 after the 3 people were rescued. There were at least another 2 crews sent to room 113 but they didn't manage to make it because of the extreme conditions. This is in contradiction to what has been recorded by the control room who only received calls from room 111 and 115.

She had no idea if the fire fighters even got to their rescues at all because the majority of the fire fighters who came down were not in a good enough condition to speak to her.

Her credibility gets a bit of a dent when she arrives on scene at 1.35 and then asks somebody in the Command Unit "which floor is the fire on?"

Just look up love...f#cking most of them!!!

The Olu "escape" information starts from 44min 44 secs.

...And none of the numbers add up at all.

Olu- channel 5. Fire Brigade bring 4 people to my flat. (4+3=7)

Olu-ABC. Fire Brigade bring 5 people to my flat (5+3=8 )

Brian O Keefe- Fire crew found single male in room 111, another  7 people who they put into room 113 (1+7+3=11)

Louisa de Silvo - 3 people rescued from 113 and four left behind (4+3=7)

Control Unit- Room 113 has 4 kids 1 adult (4+1=5)

.....yeah my heads hurting too....but somebody is definitely telling pork pies here.

it seems as if they (the fire teams) could have/were going along with it until olu etc was outed , now they have to distance themselves . This needs to be thoroughly investigated as if they were indeed "in on it" . Will this inquiry deliver? i get a good feeling from some of the questions and points being explored by the QC but its just starting to get interesting and still far to go.
there is alot of strangeness with some of the evidence of the notes and recorded info , some handed in an envelope ? other parts corroborating , some overwriting of carbon copies etc.
There is defiantly reasonable suspicion .

Its something like a farce - like the film airplane.

An official standing with their hands on their hips saying "where's the fire" with a great raging torch behind them. I wish I could draw cartoons.

Lopsum wrote:it seems as if they (the fire teams) could have/were going along with it until olu etc was outed , now they have to distance themselves . This needs to be thoroughly investigated as if they were indeed "in on it" . Will this inquiry deliver? i get a good feeling from some of the questions and points being explored by the QC but its just starting to get interesting and still far to go.
there is alot of strangeness with some of the evidence of the notes and recorded info , some handed in an envelope ? other parts corroborating , some overwriting of carbon copies etc.
There is defiantly reasonable suspicion .  

Millet appears to be picking at the scab of the Olu narrative but he has already missed many opportunities to cross reference some conflicting information from De Silvo and O Keefe.

From what I have observed it appears de Silvo, O Keefe and Daniel Egan have been primed for tackling the Olu story. Their collective vagueness around very important points relating to room 113 have allowed this story to be weaved into this inquiry.

The implications of Olu's story being found to be exactly that, a story, would be huge I think because it would expose the mainstream news channels methods.

Well the narrative does corroborate Olu's story:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44680292
Grenfell inquiry: Firefighter stopped man from 'deadly' climb
2 July 2018

Related TopicsGrenfell Tower fire
Image caption
Thomas Abell was one of the first firefighters to arrive at the building on the night of the fire
A firefighter has told how he persuaded a man not to attempt an "impossible" climb down the outside of Grenfell Tower to escape the fire.

Thomas Abell noticed a resident in an upper level flat who had tied bed-sheets together which he was going to use to rappel down the building.

He shouted to the man until he was satisfied he was not going to exit via the window, an inquiry heard.

Mr Abell has since met the man, Oluwaseun Talabi, who ran to safety.

Grenfell Inquiry: What five reports reveal
What happened at Grenfell Tower
Visual guide to the fire
The Grenfell Inquiry podcast: Firefighters O'Beirne and Abell
Mr Abell said climbing down the building would have been "an impossible and deadly task".

"I was concerned for this male's safety, and I also did not want other residents to follow this male's example of trying to rappel his way down the side of the building," he wrote in a statement published at the public inquiry.

"At one point this male was on the window sill of his apartment.

"I shouted as loudly as I could, I instructed him to stay where he was and not to try and exit the building via the window."

Mr Talabi previously told the BBC how he was preparing to climb down from the 14th floor on the makeshift rope of tied-together bed-sheets, with his four-year-old daughter on his back.

He later ran to safety through the stairwell.


Media captionOluwaseun Talabi describes his escape in a BBC interview two weeks after the fire
Mr Abell also described how he helped rescue two men from a fifth-floor window using a ladder, which members of the public helped carry.

In his statement, he wrote how he "coached" one of the men on to the ladder.

He said: "Understandably this took a bit of time as it was a daunting experience for the male, but slowly he managed to climb on the ladder and descended."

People 'were going to die'
Justin O'Beirne, another firefighter, told the inquiry he was on the fifth floor of the tower and, by looking through a letterbox, saw the fire had spread to that floor.

Who were the Grenfell victims?
Grenfell: Global roots of fire victims
He said the fire "didn't seem normal" and the way it was behaving "didn't make sense".

Image copyrightREUTERS
Image caption
A woman embraces a firefighter during a silent march in memory of the Grenfell victims
He said once he got up to the 11th and 12th floors he realised how serious the fire was because of the amount of smoke.

"I thought there would be people who were going to die," he said.

The public inquiry into the tower block fire in west London, which caused 72 deaths, is currently examining what happened when the blaze broke out last June.

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handle wrote:Its something like a farce - like the film airplane.

An official standing with their hands on their hips saying "where's the fire" with a great raging torch behind them. I wish I could draw cartoons.

Ahhh my favourite ever films.

I could picture it now, de Silvo walks into the C.U...

..."what floor is the fire on?"

C/O- .."Surely you can't be serious?"

...."I am being serious, and don't call me Shirley"

Some of these testimonies could have been written by the Zucker brothers.

handle wrote:Well the narrative does corroborate Olu's story:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44680292
Grenfell inquiry: Firefighter stopped man from 'deadly' climb
2 July 2018

Related TopicsGrenfell Tower fire
Image caption
Thomas Abell was one of the first firefighters to arrive at the building on the night of the fire
A firefighter has told how he persuaded a man not to attempt an "impossible" climb down the outside of Grenfell Tower to escape the fire.

Thomas Abell noticed a resident in an upper level flat who had tied bed-sheets together which he was going to use to rappel down the building.

He shouted to the man until he was satisfied he was not going to exit via the window, an inquiry heard.

Mr Abell has since met the man, Oluwaseun Talabi, who ran to safety.

Grenfell Inquiry: What five reports reveal
What happened at Grenfell Tower
Visual guide to the fire
The Grenfell Inquiry podcast: Firefighters O'Beirne and Abell
Mr Abell said climbing down the building would have been "an impossible and deadly task".

"I was concerned for this male's safety, and I also did not want other residents to follow this male's example of trying to rappel his way down the side of the building," he wrote in a statement published at the public inquiry.

"At one point this male was on the window sill of his apartment.

"I shouted as loudly as I could, I instructed him to stay where he was and not to try and exit the building via the window."

Mr Talabi previously told the BBC how he was preparing to climb down from the 14th floor on the makeshift rope of tied-together bed-sheets, with his four-year-old daughter on his back.

He later ran to safety through the stairwell.


Media captionOluwaseun Talabi describes his escape in a BBC interview two weeks after the fire
Mr Abell also described how he helped rescue two men from a fifth-floor window using a ladder, which members of the public helped carry.

In his statement, he wrote how he "coached" one of the men on to the ladder.

He said: "Understandably this took a bit of time as it was a daunting experience for the male, but slowly he managed to climb on the ladder and descended."

People 'were going to die'
Justin O'Beirne, another firefighter, told the inquiry he was on the fifth floor of the tower and, by looking through a letterbox, saw the fire had spread to that floor.

Who were the Grenfell victims?
Grenfell: Global roots of fire victims
He said the fire "didn't seem normal" and the way it was behaving "didn't make sense".

Image copyrightREUTERS
Image caption
A woman embraces a firefighter during a silent march in memory of the Grenfell victims
He said once he got up to the 11th and 12th floors he realised how serious the fire was because of the amount of smoke.

"I thought there would be people who were going to die," he said.

The public inquiry into the tower block fire in west London, which caused 72 deaths, is currently examining what happened when the blaze broke out last June.

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Here is Mr  Abells evidence.

Can I just point out a few facts from this evidence which may cast some doubt on his memory of what happened on the night. Let me give you a quick synopsis of his version of events.

His first task was to help set up the initial water line to tackle the fire from flat 16 from the outside. In his own words he witnessed the fire fighters covering the flat window from above to stop the fire from spreading as a defensive measure.

Mr Millet then showed him the actual footage of the exact same water jet being directed below the window.

Mr Abell's explanation was that he must have "remembered what they should have been doing?"

Mr Abell was then sent to flat 26 on floor 5 to try and put out a fire that had started in the flat directly above the fire flat.

In his own words the lobby of floor 5 was clear of smoke prior to them entering flat 26, the lobby only filled with black smoke after entry had been made to flat 26.

They entered flat 26 with a crow bar (Halligan Bar) but the door shut again And couldn't be opened a second time with the same crow bar.

Mr Abell left flat 26 after realising the fire was getting worse and he was alone without any communication possible to colleagues.

When asked why he didn't try and use his hand held radio to communicate his status his reply was "I don't know"

Mr Abell stated categorilly that he gave a complete de-brief to the Entry Board Command Officer on arriving back at the bridge head in his police statement.

This was retracted to the enquiry with the explanation given that "he must have just thought he did but has since definitely remembered that he didn't"

On exiting the building he admits that he didn't tell anybody at all about conditions inside.

Mr Abell then went to do a field A test on a second set of breathing apparatus. This was documented at 2.45am.

Mr Abell then set up a automatic covering jet piece of equipment on the south side of the tower as a defensive strategy.

He then helped haul a 13.5 meter ladder up to a fifth storey window with the help of some residents and conducted a rescue of a man from a fifth storey window.

The information relating to getting helped by residents was refuted point blank by Stephen O Donoghue in evidence given later.

He then footed the ladder whilst a colleague rescued a second person from the same 5th storey window.

Now just going on his time line from doing the test on his breathing apparatus it was then 2.45am and he us yet to rescue anybody from the 5th floor

It was only after these rescues had taken place that he starts shouting at Olu to stay in his flat on the 16th or 17th floor.

The police have already given evidence relating to the sheets being dropped from the eighth floor.

But the thing is the only three people rescued from flat 113 were rescued at least 45 minutes before Mr Abell claimed to
have seen Talabi doing his bed sheet Houdini act.

Credible witness?.....hmmmm

Before I post I think it's important to remember that the tabloid press have already been exposed for creating fake headlines to flog their tawdry rags. The truth is not relevant where the media are concerned.

The fact that Olu Talabi just happened to be the "mistaken identity" baby catching hero, paired with his miraculous heroic escape from the tower made me feel this guy wasn't genuine.

His story just didn't add up, it sounded so fabricated I actually got offended that it was on the news.

His story was fabricated, and here's why.

He said his daughter was 4 years old. The girl rescued with the family from the 11th floor was estimated to be between 11 and 12 years old. This has been stated by two different fire fighters who rescued her. Steven o Donoghue and Christopher Bacheldor.

He said firemen knocked on his door around 3.15am and told him to run.
No firemen were on floor 14 at that time, they could not get past the twelfth floor.

He said he had his daughter tied to his back.

The girl brought down from floor 11 was not on the back of the man and they were all accompanied out by fire fighters.

He said he got out of the building at 3.30am.

The 3 people rescued from flat 113 were out of the building by 2.30am.

As harrowing as this next piece of evidence gets it also confirms that Olu was not in flat 113 at 3am, he was gone.

This is the story of Zaynub and her 2 year old son Jeremia.

The firefighter who carried the girl from room 113 out of the building just happened then to get on a phone call to Zaynub. This call lasted from approximately 2.50am to 4am.

At no time during this phone call does Zaynub say she has moved rooms. She tells the firefighter she is in room 115. In a call lasting over an hour at no time does Zaynub say she is with anybody else but her son.

When Mr Millet tries to suggest she was in room 113 Mr Bacheldor states quite vehemently that she said she was in room 115, and that is the room in which she died whilst on the phone.

What can be learned from this evidence is there were no paramedics within a 5 minute walk of the main exit point 90 minutes after the fire started.

Mr Millet and Mr Bacheldor both refer to a dead person with a wrong Christian name once each, calling her Zaynee.

The note which Mr Bacheldor wrote to confirm Zaynub and Jeremia's details and age had been amended later by somebody else to include moving rooms from 115 to 113.

Mr Bacheldor gets confirmation from somebody with Zaynub that she was dead but the identity of this person was not explored.

https://youtu.be/PcswWMb3ZPM

The thing that is puzzling me now is why would a man who had just been genuinely saved from a devastating fire with his partner and child then go on to lie about the details?

Why not just tell the truth? The escape itself, even if it was earlier and was conducted by fire fighters would still be miraculous enough.

they were meant to be all in on it, the media hype over the false storys stoped the otherwise condemning of whoever arranged for the cladding to be used.
They were in there already !!!!! PRE Planted , or organized impossibly quickly ?

So why did Olu tell the fire fighters who rescued him that there nobody else in his flat?

You can hear it here between 1hr 24 minutes s 24 secs to 1hr 28 minutes.

https://youtu.be/bk74aCpTdBw

If this lying b*stard isn't hauled up to give some type of explanation then that means this whole inquiry is a covering up exercise, nothing more.

To show how farcical this inquiry is fast becoming I will shorty be posting  two pieces of evidence given by two different fire fighters who worked together on the night.

Now it's easy to forgive the odd inconsistencies and variances  due to the fact that the event happened over a year ago but when you have two people making quite definitive statements that completely contradict one another regarding a specific topic then that means only one thing...one of them is lying.

Now bear in mind that they are under oath and also the huge amount of time and money that this is costing then this should not be allowed to happen.

Call it coincidental but the bone of contention is who was doing the recording of flat numbers and rescues on the wall at the bridge head on the second floor, this is where room 113 with 3 rescues was recorded....and we all know who was supposed to be in there don't we.

Awoken , I have listened to the last video in your post above at the time you stated. There is no olu speaking and the lady fireman keeps saying she cannot remember anything.

I'll quote Mr Millet here...

"Coming back to room 113, which is something you said is very significant to you...first of all a general question...were you ever told that fire fighters who went to that flat were told by people that they did rescue that there was nobody left in it?"

The only people purportedly rescued from that flat were Olu and family.

Yes he is asking a question not making a statement and she says she couldn’t remember

Look, those questions asked to anyone a year later could not be answered. They are so detailed it is impossible to answer

its plausible deniability . But i dont buy it , the storys were in the papers and on news this would prompt recollection of what did happen for those directly involved whether it was true or false it would be significant in their minds. We dont usually forget these significant circumstances so easily. They have admitted that they realise this room is "significant" .

Lopsum wrote:its plausible deniability . But i dont buy it , the storys were in the papers and on news this would prompt recollection of what did happen for those directly involved whether it was true or false it would be significant in their minds. We dont usually forget these significant circumstances so easily. They have admitted that they realise this room is "significant" .

Indeed, and after Miss de Silvo made that exact statement she then went on to be completely vague about any specifics regarding that flat.

If I had more time to work on this, some good editing software and the know-how to use it I could easily show how shambolic this inquiry is turning out to be.

There have been far too many inconsistencies in quite vital areas that have simply been brushed over, it's just ridiculous. Such as the police reporting bedsheets being dropped from the 8th floor and fire fighters Abell saying he had a close eye on a man dangling blankets from the 16th or 17th floors...that isn't a small discrepancy it's 8 or nine floors. Did the police miss off 9 floors or did the fire fighter add another 9 floors?....It's hardly a minor detail considering this inquiry is supposed to be finding facts. How can both of those statements be accepted as fact without any cross examination?

....There are too many others to mention, I'd be here all day.