Thinking Of Getting Your Meters Changed? Think Carefully?

by **LionsShare** Sun Apr 03, 2022 8:01 pm

Raconteurs Friday Last, with webby:
https://youtu.be/ow8KbACSdmk?t=3185

by alfafasprout Sun Apr 03, 2022 10:30 pm

It is a shame they didn't spend more time on that.... how can we avoid these bills?

by **LionsShare** Sun Apr 03, 2022 10:47 pm

it may be a case of follow this thread:
https://goodf.forumotion.com/t5644-council-tax

after go on the web site links listed & download, look through & please if you find stuff please tell me. Since the explosion on telegram over utilities I am researching as much as fast as... to get some more ideas, the way forward may well be with 'contract' route as with c'tax

by **LionsShare** Sun Apr 03, 2022 10:49 pm

in my 1st post here watch the next 3-5 mins

by alfafasprout Sun Apr 03, 2022 10:56 pm

LionsShare wrote:it may be a case of follow this thread:
https://goodf.forumotion.com/t5644-council-tax

after go on the web site links listed & download, look through & please if you find stuff please tell me. Since the explosion on telegram over utilities I am researching as much as fast as... to get some more ideas, the way forward may well be with 'contract' route as with c'tax

But most people do never successfully avoid council tax...

by **LionsShare** Sun Apr 03, 2022 11:01 pm

alfafasprout wrote:
LionsShare wrote:it may be a case of follow this thread:
https://goodf.forumotion.com/t5644-council-tax

after go on the web site links listed & download, look through & please if you find stuff please tell me. Since the explosion on telegram over utilities I am researching as much as fast as... to get some more ideas, the way forward may well be with 'contract' route as with c'tax

But most people do never successfully avoid council tax...

true it could be the start of the end & lets hope so!

by alfafasprout Sun Apr 03, 2022 11:02 pm

LionsShare wrote:
alfafasprout wrote:
LionsShare wrote:it may be a case of follow this thread:
https://goodf.forumotion.com/t5644-council-tax

after go on the web site links listed & download, look through & please if you find stuff please tell me. Since the explosion on telegram over utilities I am researching as much as fast as... to get some more ideas, the way forward may well be with 'contract' route as with c'tax

But most people do never successfully avoid council tax...
true it could be the start of the end & lets hope so!

I get the feeling that a lot of the groups saying to not pay utilities and council tax could be part of the agenda 2030 landgrabbing...?

by pitano1 Mon Apr 04, 2022 10:40 am

https://noc.peacekeepers.org.uk/

PS: I'm absolutely SURE that everything that applies to Council Tax ALSO applies to Income Tax (and every other form of 'mandatory' tax)

The definition of "Tax" is: "To take someone's property - financial in this case - WITHOUT their EXPRESS CONSENT ... without any intention of ever giving it back to them".

The definition of "Robbery" is: "To take someone's property - financial, for example - WITHOUT their EXPRESS CONSENT ... without any intention of ever giving it back to them".
Veronica chapman.

by alfafasprout Sat Apr 16, 2022 1:54 pm

Hi, i was going to get my meters changed. I dont understand how Paul is saying that we are defrauding the tax payer?

by flyingfish Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:57 pm

alfafasprout wrote:Hi, i was going to get my meters changed. I dont understand how Paul is saying that we are defrauding the tax payer?

Neither do I. It seems to be based on two ideas (1) that fitting your own meter gets you off the hook with your supplier so you don't have to pay, and (2) that the actual gas and electricity are owned by the government (which is definitely incorrect). If (1) was correct it would be your supplier being defrauded, but I don't think it is. I reckon that if you fit your own meter and don't agree this with your supplier (or don't tell them) then they'll keep chasing you for a meter reading and if you don't give one then they'll switch to billing on estimated consumption.

by Sharpysparky Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:04 pm

But Paul was the one that say water gas n leccy are free so does that not mean the tax payer would be defrauded? Ive been reading a bit on this and what people are saying is by having your own meters fitted you become your own supplier and just send national grid yearly readings, but they dont bill you, according to srilancer when they done a phone call to a gas supplier theres nothing to stop is having our own meters, very confusing

by alfafasprout Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:51 pm

flyingfish wrote:
alfafasprout wrote:Hi, i was going to get my meters changed. I dont understand how Paul is saying that we are defrauding the tax payer?
Neither do I. It seems to be based on two ideas (1) that fitting your own meter gets you off the hook with your supplier so you don't have to pay, and (2) that the actual gas and electricity are owned by the government (which is definitely incorrect). If (1) was correct it would be your supplier being defrauded, but I don't think it is. I reckon that if you fit your own meter and don't agree this with your supplier (or don't tell them) then they'll keep chasing you for a meter reading and if you don't give one then they'll switch to billing on estimated consumption.

Yes, if you don't tell "supplier" who doesn't actually supply anything, they are just the billing agents who own the meter at the time. Then you say you are moving, they then send letters to occupier. They will continue to send them to occupier and make estimated readings because they don't know the meter is changed and when they find out it is changed they will try and change it back. If you don't reply to them then I imagine they can try and force entry to cap your gas supply?

by flyingfish Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:32 am

Sharpysparky wrote:But Paul was the one that say water gas n leccy are free so does that not mean the tax payer would be defrauded? Ive been reading a bit on this and what people are saying is by having your own meters fitted you become your own supplier and just send national grid yearly readings, but they dont bill you, according to srilancer when they done a phone call to a gas supplier theres nothing to stop is having our own meters, very confusing

That's so blatantly untrue you have to question the motives of anyone broadcasting such nonsense. It only takes a couple of seconds to find documents from Ofgem and others setting out the process (and costs) of becoming a supplier. Anyone wondering if suppliers do or don't have to pay for the energy the notionally supply just needs to think about why so many are going broke when the wholesale price rose.

by Sharpysparky Sun Apr 17, 2022 10:28 am

flyingfish wrote:
Sharpysparky wrote:But Paul was the one that say water gas n leccy are free so does that not mean the tax payer would be defrauded? Ive been reading a bit on this and what people are saying is by having your own meters fitted you become your own supplier and just send national grid yearly readings, but they dont bill you, according to srilancer when they done a phone call to a gas supplier theres nothing to stop is having our own meters, very confusing
That's so blatantly untrue you have to question the motives of anyone broadcasting such nonsense. It only takes a couple of seconds to find documents from Ofgem and others setting out the process (and costs) of becoming a supplier. Anyone wondering if suppliers do or don't have to pay for the energy the notionally supply just needs to think about why so many are going broke when the wholesale price rose.

FF only going by watching sri lanker c, if only it was that simple, lots more would be doing it

SS

by flyingfish Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:59 am

Fair enough. I've not seen the source, presumably a Youtube video or similar, so don't know if it's misguided, or deliberately misleading, spoof, scam, hoax or just an idiot. You're quite right to be sceptical, unfortunately some people are gullible enough to believe that sort of rubbish without question, getting themselves into worse trouble as a result. That's why we should rebut that sort thing when it's brought up.

by flyingfish Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:08 am

alfafasprout wrote:Yes, if you don't tell "supplier" who doesn't actually supply anything, they are just the billing agents who own the meter at the time. Then you say you are moving, they then send letters to occupier. They will continue to send them to occupier and make estimated readings because they don't know the meter is changed and when they find out it is changed they will try and change it back. If you don't reply to them then I imagine they can try and force entry to cap your gas supply?

From my experience if the current occupier notifies that they're moving out, the supplier will then bill the property owner from then on. I'm not sure if it would be the same supplier, when I've seen this it's been the default supplier and tariff based on which DNO serves the premises. That makes some sort of sense as the owner wasn't party to whatever agreement existed between supplier and former occupier, but would have some sort of deemed contract by virtual of remaining connected to the supply.

by **LionsShare** Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:42 pm

this is quite a hot topic in the world of utilities ATM.

People are having mixed results with no 1 size fits all.

When informing ?? that meters are changed this seems to be a bad idea as the util Co's are hiring contractors HASTE & SEEKA, these in turn, turn up & completely disconnect the house hold which I am pretty sure is illegal because no proper court process has been followed to 'allow' this to happen. Its just pure spite? Note: I'm not legally trained as I have stated many times here on goodf, so any further comments from the more experienced are welcomed.

HASTE & SEEKA, seem to be bullies & turn up to fit pre pay with a 'warrant'. Most will not get to see as such but those that do need to get an accurate 'warrant' number & court details to contact. As I have posted courts seem to be - I can confirm a warrant has been issued but no court record exists, contact HASTE or SEEKA respectively. This surely has be blatant fraud? There should be a proper copy to be given to you - period.

Some may well be getting a chance to attend a court hearing & challenge said 'warrant'?

I think this may well stop when the court system are overwhelmed with claims - I mean loads.

LS

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by **LionsShare** Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:57 pm

30 secs in is the real reason why we are stuffed over utilities/anything:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVNhXcdt3_8

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