Unregistered Land

by Jinxer Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:46 pm

I'm trying to buy some unregistered land that's going to auction. Back in 1928 when it was sold it was written in the deeds that the land had to be used for an allotment for 25 years. Apart from one other end plot the land itself and all the other land round it is over grown and not been touched for years (it's like a jungle). Does it mean that after the 25 years are up that the land could be used for other purposes. The only other restriction on the land is it can't be used to fire bricks and can't be dug for sand unless the sand is for use on the said land and there is a smoke control order. I would want to put a building on there probably the size of a large double garage to keep a small tractor, rotavator and other tools in. Would this need planning permission or would it come under permitted building rules.
The other question I have is I have to register the land as a condition of the sale and they are saying it needs to be done by a solicitor, but from looking into it, it looks easy enough to do myself and only costs £40 then, instead of the £650-£900 the solicitor is asking to do it. Anyone had any experience doing this themselves, all the searches and stuff have been done by the sellers solicitors so I don't see why another solicitor would need to do them again. I would of thought it was just a question of filling the form in and posting it to land registry with the fee.

by **assassin** Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:59 am

Why buy it? many companies are already doing this and for great fortunes, I am not sure of the specifics but many companies are doing it and so can you. It may be worth the research, but I woul;dn't publicise it to anyone as they turn against you if money is involved.

by Jinxer Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:21 am

It's unregistered but it is still owned. The people who owned it bought it for £95.00 in 1963. They have now died and the son has got an estate agent to auction it. Theirs loads of conveyancing paper work and the receipt or bill of sale from 1963, so it's all legit. This land is the last part of the estate to be sold and I can't buy it yet till it goes to auction and hope to win it.

by pieintheskywhenIdie Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:12 am

I've known people doing their own conveyancing, although I think that was for selling rather than buying. The difference is that selling you more or less have to provide the info the buyer requests, whereas the buyer needs to know what to ask for. Regarding the 25 years, is there some document proving when the site started being used for allotments, if so and that's more than 25 years then you should be good. THB I wouldn't expect the issue to arise unless you made a change of use planning app, and maybe only if someone objected. I mean there won't be anyone actively checking up.

Your shed, round here that would be a permitted agricultural development. The only gotcha might be if the land isn't registered as an agricultural holding. Also, (again round here) the process is to put in a planning application, and the planning department the confirms it's permitted. Assassin may have more details.

Alternative you might want to make sure the shed would count as a portable or temporary building.

by pieintheskywhenIdie Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:13 am

Forgot to add, I found this from the land registry, search for "DIY conveyancing" for lots more hits .. http://blog.landregistry.gov.uk/conveyancing-solicitor-or-diy/

by **assassin** Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:46 pm

PITS, from what I remember various companies and slick (dodgy) operators were on a land grab and checked out any land they could find which wasn't registered and tried to use the courts to claim it as their own, when it went to court it went two ways, if it wasn't owned they won their claim. If it wasn't defended they lost their claim, but if it was defended the companies simply cut their losses and dropped the case because in a great many incidents they were making more money from what land they did get as they sold it on quickly.

In most cases the registration took precedence over the land deeds and once it was registered in another name the courts took the evidence of registration over a deed of title, hence a concerted effort to force people to REGISTER their land against their will.

by Phillpots Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:23 pm

It's not registered - so why and for what reason would you now want to register it? Hey ho I suppose you if you do purchase it you will hand it over to someone else then it aint yours - hint hint wink wink say no more.

by Jinxer Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:50 pm

It's a condition of the sale that you have to register it otherwise I wouldn't bother to much about it. No one has done a land grab on it yet either or it would already be registered in their name. Thanks for your answers guys. I thought it was a TR1 form I had to fill in, but I found out now that's for change of title not for new registration.
I know a few of the other plots are unregistered so a land grab might be an option for me later on if I win this plot first.

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