Fiduciary, Trusts & Agreement

by **LionsShare** Sun Sep 04, 2022 5:40 pm

As promised in:
https://goodf.forumotion.com/t5794-utlities-worth-a-shot#39506

Many of you will have seen my post here dated 21/06/2022 about how a Trust is formed when an agreement is signed:
https://goodf.forumotion.com/t5592p25-bank-giro-credit#38900

LionsShare wrote:Trust has 3 entities, Settlor the 1 who places ? into Trust, Trustee - the 1 who is responsible for running & liable for Trust out goings, Benificary - 1 who receives ? from the Trust.

Agreements & Trusts:

Settlor the 1 who signs for the agreement thus creating the Trust & places into Trust the opportunity for Util Co to exclusivly profit (meaning no other Util Co is suppose to 'butt' in).

Trustee the Util Co, must settle liabilities of the Trust (here the out going liability is simply the cashing of the tearoff slip to get dsicharge (paid) if they don't bother, try & fail, don't know how, is thier liability), & are not entitled to receive anything from Settlor or Benificiary.

Benificary - you; receive the ability to wash, heat, light, cook etc

the joint giro or giro with added value (non transcash logo but with all the correct bits) is there for you to sign, date, & return that's it, that should be the end but it ain't...... onwards & upwards

this is confirmed in this vid dated 07/07/2022, watch the next 5 mins :
https://youtu.be/NT2hYiAs2tg?t=470

Many will be wondering how exactly is the Trust in existence & where is the evidence? Where is it written down? For those looking for evidence perhaps in a peer review paper with this info in, you probably won't. As far as I am aware this is the 1st (but will stand corrected if.....) its been written down anywhere & is also largely a leap of faith.

The evidence of Trust existence comes from the action or inaction or if you like the substance over any form. The substance is measured by what you see in front of you (having received) & knowing how to interprate that sent (what to do, how you go from this point).

Trust Formation: Settlor when signing the agreement for gas/leccy is the Trust formation.

Benefit of Trust: Beneficiary(ies): you get to heat, light, wash etc

Proof of Fiduciary Trust Existence & Massive Leap of Faith: Trustee util Co when sending the 'bill' (actually statement of account) there is the tear off slip (ts), looking at ts & knowing it is a good template for a BOE, Drawee is the corporate bank. Payee is the util Co. Drawer is slightly harder because its not obvious. I have posted several threads on how to 'see' the ts, its in your face look for 'cheque' & 'voucher':
https://goodf.forumotion.com/t5648-most-complete-bank-giro-credit

The overall adage 'in receiving the ts, a means to discharge said 'bill' here it is signed & dated have it back, was anything owed? I am not your "Customer" you the util Co are my "Agent".'

Evidence of Trust existence is the Agent (Fiduciary) acting on your behalf & is suppose to look after your interests before that of the util Co or the poeple that work there. The 'acting' or action is the substance of performance (here described purely in a 'utility' setting) this is the Trust existence - yes its a massive leap of faith.

by waylander62 Wed Sep 07, 2022 1:34 pm

yes yes, you are very much on the right track it is the same for credit cards, loans mortgages etc etc ,

the money is created by you signing the agreement and a trust is established of which you are the beneficiary, the trustee holds the 'note' in trust created. the bank you pay is merely an agent for the trustee YOU are the beneficiary of the trust.

all is concealed.

very complicated but.....

by **daveiron** Wed Sep 07, 2022 7:09 pm

I have been thinking along slightly different lines and may add to my
NoCA.

It appears to me that a trust relationship must be in operation-

God is the settlor as he is the creator and granted dominion over the earths
resources to man.

Man therefore is the beneficiary .

Utility companies ,can only be the trustees as they are administering the res.

Thoughts please.

by **LionsShare** Wed Sep 07, 2022 7:18 pm

waylander thanks for the endorsement

DI, yes, very good thought, & I suppose you could well be correct. Its certainly worth a go.

LS

by **LionsShare** Sat Sep 10, 2022 10:44 pm

always remember 1 can ONLY settle into Trust what is held by the full Rights, Title & Interest to.....

nite nite

LS

Yeah I know its riddles but what can you the Reader fill out in the 'missing bits'?

waylander62 endorses what I've stated so I must be onto something? What can you the Reader fill in?

This really is a piece of p*iss

by **LionsShare** Sat Sep 10, 2022 10:58 pm

waylander62 wrote:yes yes, you are very much on the right track it is the same for credit cards, loans mortgages etc etc ,

the money is created by you signing the agreement and a trust is established of which you are the beneficiary, the trustee holds the 'note' in trust created. the bank you pay is merely an agent for the trustee YOU are the beneficiary of the trust.

all is concealed.

very complicated but.....

yes yes I REALLY like.......

by **LionsShare** Sat Sep 10, 2022 11:09 pm

LionsShare wrote:always remember 1 can ONLY settle into Trust what is held by the full Rights, Title & Interest to.....

This really is a piece of p*iss

here's a clue SFA so please do tell?

here's another - waylander62 goes on about 'money creation', what can you the Reader work out?

by **LionsShare** Sat Sep 10, 2022 11:30 pm

here's another clue, when you don't endorse the next & all future ts then you get taken to court for...... (follow the 'money creation')

a very big clue - 'money creation'.....

I do like to type '.....' following narrative.

So what's the big question regarding

LionsShare wrote:always remember 1 can ONLY settle into Trust what is held by the full Rights, Title & Interest to.....

This really is a piece of p*iss

by **LionsShare** Sun Sep 11, 2022 1:58 pm

my posts last night were accompanied with copious amounts of beer, just to mention.

by **LionsShare** Wed Oct 05, 2022 2:21 pm

more proof its a Trust relationship:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STG-w4v7_GI

its all about action, by all means watch the lot but from 5:48 in - 'you must act!'

Remember its a Trust based relationship NOT debtor/creditor

by **LionsShare** Mon May 08, 2023 7:33 pm

LionsShare wrote:Trust Formation: Settlor when signing the agreement for gas/leccy is the Trust formation.

For c'tax & water even way back if you have never signed for gas/leccy, its the handing over of the name that creates the Trust, the name is simply held liable, we are seen as a resource to tap into & squandered away while the 'fat cats' supposedly sit down doing SFA? Making huge profits while we the so called.... being made poor & poorer.

There really is no debt. For those that state there is, prove it.

When writing to utils even c'tax ask for actual proof of debt as data processed in the name of.... at the address of.... nothing & I mean nothing ever comes back of any substance.

Its time it stopped. bounce

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