Replying to post box addresses

by 7tt7 Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:22 pm

hi guys came across this video yesterday and would welcome some information regarding this matter.
thanks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEUJ2Z07gMM

by **daveiron** Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:52 pm

Hi 7tt7

I was aware of some of that ,but not all .
If it has anything other than a stamp on it .its mail fraud ,(take a look at Universal Postal Convention)
However if as his letter is postmarked UK MAIL or any other company ,RTS will not get it returned .You need to take a photo of it and place it in an addressed envelope to return it.

I would be helpful ,to verify all of what he says if you emailed a freedom of Information for this and post in the foi section here ,would be of great use here.

by 7tt7 Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:22 pm

daveiron wrote:Hi 7tt7

I was aware of some of that ,but not all .
If it has anything other than a stamp on it .its mail fraud ,(take a look at Universal Postal Convention)
However if as his letter is postmarked UK MAIL or any other company ,RTS will not get it returned .You need to take a photo of it and place it in an addressed envelope to return it.

I would be helpful ,to verify all of what he says if you emailed a freedom of Information for this and post in the foi section here ,would be of great use here.

Thanks
i remember watching a vid by ceylon and he mentioned the uk mail thing but if you put it in another envelope dont you have to address it i mean return address or do the post office open it to find out who to give it back to ?

not really sure what you mean about the foi thing

so if it has a stamp and a return address on it it's fraud but only a stamp its ok ?
im getting in over my head now

by **daveiron** Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:44 pm

Hi 7tt7,

All mail must have a postage stamp otherwise its mail fraud.
As I understand it unless it was sent through Royal Mail and R.M. were paid .Items sent through other carriers are not returned.

You may notice some envelopes carry the logo of UK MAIL or Whistl etc .These are delivered by R.M. but the sender
did not pay R.M.
Search through Ceylons vid he has one that goes through this.

Re the F.O.I. request ,If you want to verify what the guy in the video said ,you can ask the questions from Royal Mail
via a F.O.I. request .That way you will get the correct answers ,and not just take the word of someone on you tube.

If you have never done a request ,its very easy & free. All you do is contact RM head office and put.

Under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 please supply the following information.

Think about the questions you want answering ,list them & send either by email or post ,its as simple as that.

by 7tt7 Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:21 pm

daveiron wrote:Hi 7tt7,

All mail must have a postage stamp otherwise its mail fraud.
As I understand it unless it was sent through Royal Mail and R.M. were paid .Items sent through other carriers are not returned.

You may notice some envelopes carry the logo of UK MAIL or Whistl etc .These are delivered by R.M. but the sender
did not pay R.M.
Search through Ceylons vid he has one that goes through this.

Re the F.O.I. request ,If you want to verify what the guy in the video said ,you can ask the questions from Royal Mail
via a F.O.I. request .That way you will get the correct answers ,and not just take the word of someone on you tube.

If you have never done a request ,its very easy & free. All you do is contact RM head office and put.

Under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 please supply the following information.

Think about the questions you want answering ,list them & send either by email or post ,its as simple as that.

got it thanks

by Waffle Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:34 pm

It's an interesting outlook.

I was suspicious of PO BOXES and decided to send my letters through the side door, took me a while to find an appropriate address....

More info on this would be great

by Guest Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:56 am

Hi guys

Conversely you can't claim to be living on the 'private' side of the ledger without a PO Box of your own.......

(Unless there's an easier way to function without an address that i'm unaware of?)

Cheers!

by **daveiron** Fri Sep 08, 2017 12:54 pm

Hi iamani,

Take a look at this for an alternative,a mate used this for a long time.

http://www.postoffice.co.uk/mail/poste-restante

by WildHorse Fri Sep 08, 2017 2:21 pm

Simply Knock a post in the ground, attach your claim to it, steak your claim to it as they used to say, then go to the (POST) office and get them to register it and codify it. Very Happy

by WildHorse Fri Sep 08, 2017 2:25 pm

This all sounds very complicated, is the body corporate (The living dead) being written to, or the Man????

by Guest Fri Sep 08, 2017 5:23 pm

Hi guys

Daveiron - thanks for that, just had a look. It seems that in using this system you retain your address, it's more for travellers' convenience. As your address is retained you would still be considered as having a commercial address, and so not 'private'. Whereas with a PO Box you are not advertising a business address - which places you in the 'private' (probably why it's so expensive since RM was sold off).

WildHorse - we're trying to get away from any and all official registration, as registration brings us under T.H.E.I.R. jurisdiction. If it's a business writing to you then it is always the 'person' (body corporate) being addressed, never the 'man'.

Cheers!

by **daveiron** Fri Sep 08, 2017 5:30 pm

Hi iamani,

Take a look again ,it seems you only need to show your address for ID when you collect.

my mate said he had his letterbox sealed up for years using this.

by WildHorse Fri Sep 08, 2017 5:40 pm

I never get any post as nobody (NOBODY) ever writes to me the Man. I did once get a letter from a spirit but it was in another dimension and i was unable to read it then.
I bet i could read it now though

by Guest Fri Sep 08, 2017 5:51 pm

Hi guys

Daveiron - the way it's set up (as far as i can tell, but i will look again) you don't advise anyone that your 'mailing location' has changed because ostensibly it hasn't - they just re-direct any mail sent to your address to your nominated post office, whereas when you rent a PO Box you have to advise anyone who might send you anything that your 'mailing location' is now a PO Box.

WildHorse - i bet you could too, tiger!

Cheers!

by **daveiron** Fri Sep 08, 2017 5:58 pm

Hi ,
iv'e read it again and it says your mail is addressed to your nominated PO ,not redirected to it. So if i have it right this may be one way to enable you to not accept service where you live.

by Guest Fri Sep 08, 2017 6:04 pm

Hi daveiron

How do the people sending you stuff know to address it to your nominated PO?

Cheers!

by **daveiron** Fri Sep 08, 2017 6:19 pm

I dont want to sound flippant ,but it tells you on that link that you inform them.
I can see a lot of advantages in this ,where corporations are trying to serve something on you.

by Ausk Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:58 am

I used Poste Restante in the uK when I was there in the 1970's and I just completed a redirection form which gave the PO i wanted to pick up my mail from. I just went to counter and asked if there was any mail for me which would have come Poste Restate.

They went away and came back later with it. I spose its much more security ridden these days but the principle should be the same.

by Guest Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:51 am

Hi guys

daveiron - i stand corrected. Be interesting to know if it can be used to stymie the corporations. i wonder if this comes under RM's definition of abuse?

Cheers!

by **daveiron** Sun Sep 10, 2017 2:25 pm

Hi iamani,

This may be what salli did on the old site,

If you seal up your letterbox (I think its after 3 days ) RM return your mail as undeliverable.
If you are using P.R. you only give that address to whoever you want to receive mail from.

Re the abuse ,not sure maybe worth looking into for anyone wanting to take that route.

by Guest Sun Sep 10, 2017 4:50 pm

Hi daveiron

Thanks for that - if not for your persistence i'd have remained in ignorance.

Cheers!

by Kestrel Sat Sep 30, 2017 11:43 am

Some more links that 'may' be of assitance to 'Mail Fraud':

http://www.completeformations.co.uk/using-po-boxes.html
https://www.smallfirmsservices.com/info/po-box-address.aspx

It appears third parties to DCA's are sending mail out on their behalf & they too are using PO Box addresses & also marking as 'Private & Confidential.

The links below 'are of assistance to 'Mail Fraud':

How To Return To Sender - Part 1 (Mark Christopher)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18lxNKjM_UM
How To Return To Sender - Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqn63F6EzrM
How To Return To Sender - Part 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbjsStjwt8w

by 7tt7 Sat Sep 30, 2017 11:47 am

thanks for links Kestler

by Guest Sat Sep 30, 2017 12:04 pm

Hi guys

i suspect any company using a PO Box as a return address does so in an attempt to circumvent the law.

i think that by marking it 'private and confidential' they are implying that there is a 'private agreement' between the parties - and 'private' agreements (contracts) supercede the law......

Just another aspect of the mail fraud. Perhaps when marking the envelope as 'un-claimed, rts, recorded for fraud' one might wish to include 'no evidence of private agreement'. Then put it in another envelope marked with their correct address and no stamp, being sure to write on the envelope 'important legal documents enclosed'. They'll have to pay to find out you are cranking the middle digit at them.

Just a thought.

Cheers!

by Waffle Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:00 pm

Great shares Kestrel, we can make really good use of that information.

As far as I know a PO BOX is about £20 per month. Surely we could turn this around on them. If they are using PO BOXES so should we be.

I suspected the PO BOX when I sent a return to a DCA, I was "contracting (not the right term)" with them. I was actually identifying myself as the beneficiary of the private & confidential :•) trust they are trying to construe!! I found the postal address so have strictly privately & confidentially slipped in through the back doors....

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