Re: hmrc self assessment question???

by Kestrel Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:11 pm

Some worthy information on above topic:

No Law Requiring You to Pay Income Tax
http://getoutofdebtfree.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=104&t=56975#.VOCeGWezUy4

Freedom of information requests regarding income tax
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/income_tax
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/is_income_tax_legal

Proof HMRC do accept promissory notes as payment
http://getoutofdebtfree.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=140&t=81158
http://getoutofdebtfree.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=81159#.VLjihGezUy5

Do We Have To Pay TAX? 001 - by White Rabbit [Spaniard PI]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxKW-TD3okI
Do we have to pay TAX? 002 - by White Rabbit [the follow up call - Spaniard PI]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_r51nw1lkw

Are HMRC taxes non payment criminal & inprisonable?
http://getoutofdebtfree.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=104&t=58519#.VOCeU2ezUy4

From what i remember in the legislation regarding income tax it does not actually state you have to pay it, i believe one of the above links point this out.

I'm sure most will be wise to that fact why income tax was introduced - to fund the first world war (another war started by Jewish International bankers), when did that conflict end? Tax is paid to pay off the debt created by the usurer, both are extortion rackets - both are crimes, end usury & end tax!

by Lion Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:27 pm

Jinxer wrote:I'm no expert far from it, I can only comment on experience. When I was around 21 the tax man wrote to me at my mothers address asking what I was doing for a living, or words to that effect. I just ignored them and after a few more letters I didn't hear anymore from them. I've lived in the same house for over 30 years now and have sometimes when times were hard done work for companies and paid PAYE tax but most of the time I did cash in hand work and anything really that made me a living, buying and selling cars, garden clearances and stuff like that. The only thing I ever struggled with was Council Tax, I could never get out of that despite arguing it in Court a couple of times. I've got a student to register at my address now so at the minute I don't have to pay it, but don't know how long that will last.

I once remember ceylon said not to register to vote at the address and therefore the council don't know who you are.

by Lion Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:29 pm

Hey guys thanks for the advise. I was more looking into uber being self employed. So the problem here is the money would go straight into your bank account.

by Ausk Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:38 am

In Australia, the tax act is called the: Income Tax Assessement Act.

Nowhere in that document does it define the word "Income" and I beleive this is the case in the US, Canada, New Zealand and Britan by extension and likly many other countries.

The reason tt does not appear is that it just cannot be defined.

by Guest Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:46 am

Hi Ausk

I think rather it is so well defined that if they did so in the Act people would know the Act doesn't apply to them.

Cheers!

by Ausk Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:42 am

Lion wrote:Hi guys could you help me out.

So lets say I'm self employed working for myself no business.

I earn £26,000 for the year.

In that year I buy a new laptop, a phone, a tv ect. Lets say all of this totals £6000

so I have £20,000 left over.

So is the full £26,000 taxable or is only £20,000 taxable???

I ask cause they write that you can't claim expenses for private purchases, but then that would mean they want to tax money that I have spent???

Private purchases?? i know people who rent out investment houses. Each year or so they can buy and write off new carpets, fit outs, paint jobs etc, for their 'investment properties." but the rental houses occupied by renters never see the things but when you go the owners homes they have only just completed a complete makeover.

If/when they write to you about your return, write back to them and say that you are trying to complete your current years income tax return. However, in order for you to complete the return you need them to provide you with an official documented (not electronic) definition of income. The reason you require this is because there are severe penalties for providing false and or misleading information and you do wish to expose yourself to the risk of inadvertently or mistakenly providing false or misleading information.

While your at it, it might also like to ask them for a detailed break down of all the VAT or GST whatever its called in your country, you have paid during the financial year concerned, so that you can determine if you have a tax liability or perhaps a refund owing.

You might also like to ask them for the definition of the word "taxpayer." A 'taxpayer' is usually defined as a 'person deriving income or deriving profits or gains of a capital nature.

To start with, you are not a 'person' and while I realise you are self employed, but for the benefit of other readers, how have wage and salary earners, derived profits or gains of a capital nature by simply swapping their time for money?

by Ausk Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:48 am

iamani wrote:Hi Ausk

I think rather it is so well defined that if they did so in the Act people would know the Act doesn't apply to them.

Cheers!

Yes , definitely and id say that more than anything else they just cannot afford to have tens of thousands of people asking the same questions.

Think of how nice it would be if 500,000 people all wrote to the tax man asking the same questions. Please define 'a' then write again ask them to define 'b' then write again asking them to 'd' 'c' all the way to 'z'

by Guest Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:54 am

Hi Ausk

Two posts. Two good ideas. Kudos.

Cheers!

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