in house enforcement agents

by Sharpysparky Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:13 am

hi everyone, today I had a visit from One Source enforcement agent (they are in house enforcement agents for Havering, Newham and Bexley councils) for an outstanding bus lane ticket which I appealed and lost, I was clearly in the bus lane I am not disputing that but I was not causing any harm loss or damage and only travelled about 3 bus lengths, anyway that said is there any knowledgeable people on here that can advise me on the best way forward with this, I have hidden my van so they cannot clamp it but cant keep doing it as its ridiculous to have to do this so the thieving fuckers don't take it away, any comment or suggestion/advice would be very grateful.

peace and love to all
sharpysparky

by **daveiron** Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:46 am

I think its time the question was asked to the councils.

As the roads are paid for by the public and their upkeep is also paid from the public purse.Under what right are they denying access and use of these roads to the public for the exclusive use of private corporations (buses & taxis)

by Sharpysparky Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:12 pm

lol daveiron, so true but unfortunately i think its gone past the stage of asking questions to the council now, I refused to pay anything today so now the amount is £513.00!!!!
£235 for the prvailage of them attending my address today! daylight robbery imo

by **daveiron** Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:28 pm

One point, if you should decide its not worth the hassle and decide to pay .Pay the council direct Do not pay the bailiff. You have no contract or obligation regarding bailiff fees. Also you have no obligation to answer the door or even speak to them. Send them a denial of access notice & put one on your door or gate.
There should be one on this site ,if you cannot find it ,give me a shout.

by Sharpysparky Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:36 pm

I put one up outside the door this morning as I had a feeling they would be here today, im sure I heard him take a photo of it when I closed the door.
do the same rights apply to in house enforcement agents though? they seem to be adopting this method as it boost the councils profits

by **daveiron** Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:52 pm

Have a look here ,seems to have useful info

https://www.dealingwithbailiffs.co.uk/Stop-a-Parking-ticket-bailiff.htm

by Sharpysparky Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:55 pm

ok cheers will have a read, I really need my van tomorrow so hope they dont turn up before i get up and clamp it Sad

by pitano1 Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:08 pm

http://boevat.org.uk/
makes a good read. Laughing

by Sharpysparky Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:50 pm

@daveiron thanks for the website, even tho it is a mine field to understand lol
I think theres only one thing ive got on em and thats the date in which they turned up,from what I have read they must leave it 21 days from the date the NOTICE OF ENFORCEMENT was issued, well that was 10/09/18 so by my calculations this should have been no earlier than the 15/10/18 (only counting mon-fri)

by Sharpysparky Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:51 pm

hi pitano1 thanks for the link I will take a look and heres hoping ay!? lol

by Sharpysparky Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:00 pm

may I also add this 'offence happend last year 02/10/17 thought they had forgotten me but after it going to Northampton Court Business Centre ( a joke in itself) its been quite quick to get to this stage

by Kestrel Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:12 pm

Well we all know what utter scum the councils are along the rest of the cabal of criminals.

To my knowledge if your van is for your work they cannot clamp/take it:
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/debt-and-money/action-your-creditor-can-take/bailiffs/what-bailiffs-can-take/stopping-bailiffs-taking-your-vehicle/

Do a bit of research.

by midnight Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:14 pm

Hi, do you have a private driveway where you reside and where you can park your vehicle or do you have to park your vehicle on a public road.

by Sharpysparky Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:00 pm

Hi kestrel, I have read that on some sites but they also say the enforcement agent often still take no notice of that fact and clamp it anyway then within 2 hours its lifted! The van isnt sign written so proving it would be hard and trying to stop them putting a clamp on would inevitably end up with the police being called and we all know whos side they would take!

by Sharpysparky Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:04 pm

Hi midnight, yes my van is parked on my driveway, I doubt that will stop them even tho I have put up a removal of access notice? Correct me if im wrong by all means or have info/method of how I could challenge them, I urgently need to use the van tomorrow and could do without having it clamped first thing in the morning, they turned up today around 08.30 but may turn up earlier to try their luck agin tomorrow

by midnight Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:54 am

Hi Sharpysparky, It's early in the morning as I write this and I have had a long day. I've been thinking about the problem with vehicles being ticketed by parking companies in private car parks lately and how the parking companies can be some what defeated. One idea that I have been thinking about was to remove the number plates from the vehicle before entering or parking and to cover up any visible Vin numbers. It would need some research before anyone tried such a thing though. As you park your vehicle on your own property then there would be nothing wrong in removing the number plates and covering up the Vin. The point of removing the number plates is simple. There would be no way to identify the owner/keeper of the vehicle from the reg number or Vin and no possible way for anyone to say that they had done so. Unfortunately if your vehicle has any sign writing on it then that too would have to be removed. As I say this is just an idea at the moment, but it maybe enough to defeat their processes as they would not be able to complete their paperwork. No doubt others will have comments on this and so they should. I am in no way an expert on this so be gentle please as I am a very sensitive person and my skin is paper thin. One other thing is to remove any paper work from the vehicle that is visible and which could connect you to the vehicle. Also you would have to make sure that the vehicle is also locked and secure. There maybe unforeseen flaws with this idea hence the need for some more research. The more experienced members out there will give some input on this idea as without a doubt I have missed something.

by **daveiron** Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:38 am

Hi midnight,

Thats exactly what we need to move forward, Members coming up with alternative ideas.

by Sharpysparky Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:14 am

Hi Midnight, lmao I did actually think of doing that and is going to be something I will be doing until I can put a stop to these bandits, the only problem is that they will make presumptions that the van with no number plates is the van they want and clamp it anyway, wrong I know but the whole system is wrong but worth doing short term.
I came up with a cunning plan late last night and that was for my girlfriend to take my van to get to work this morning as she started at 06.00 so left here at 05.45!lol,I read that the bailiffs cannot attend a property before 06.00 so bingo! she will finish at 13.30 get home and ten I can jump in it a go where I have got to go!
The other idea I had was to put the van in my girlfriends name on the logbook that way they cant touch it at all!
I dont actually know if they will turn up again today or even next week after their visit yesterday, or if they will write to me explaining their next step, I read that I should write to them asking for an official invoice under te bill of exchange act, failure to provide me with this makes the claim against me invalid so am going to try that route too.
thank you so much for your input and as daveiron says any ideas or suggestions are always welcomed, there is no harm in giving out your opinions or ideas its up to the individual which way they want to play the game.
Kind Regards
sharpysparky

by Sharpysparky Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:27 am

@ daveiron, absolutely right there is no right or wrong way just different avenues we can all look at going down
Kind Regards
sharpysparky

by pitano1 Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:54 am

Penalty Charge Notices and Parking Charge Notices are not Fines!

Only a properly convened law court can issue Fines, and then only after due process has been served.

Councils and companies like Parking Eye do not issue Fines, they issue Charge Notices.
If you offer payment there can be no controversy.
http://boevat.org.uk/about-pcns/

We need to stop calling these Charge Notices 'Fines', we need to be careful of the language we are using to ourselves!

For every Notice of levy or charge you receive, you have the RIGHT to require an invoice, this was enshrined in the Bills of Exchange Act in 1882 which has been the bedrock of business-to-business transactions ever since it was enacted.

letters here....http://boevat.org.uk/about-pcns/

by Sharpysparky Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:10 am

Hi pitano1, I have drafted a letter to send to the baliffs today and have used some of the template letters from boevat so thank you for sharing that link, it is very informative with lots of other link to knowledgeable people
I will of course keep everyone updated as to what happens with thuis and hope that someone else can benefit from experiences that have been shared on here

by Sharpysparky Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:51 pm

hi everyone, just an update really and also what should be my next move should be,
so on the 3/10/18 I wrote them (One source enforcement agents) asking again as I had previously wrote to them asking for proof of claim and an invoice for the amount they are demanding,the area this has been ignored and I have not heard a peep since! in between these dates a letter was received stating enforcement agents are in the area and have been assigned to call at my premises with the intention to take control of my goods, Now I have been watching a few vids and some are saying to just leave it and some are saying to write to them again.
what is the opinion of the members on here??
peace and love to all
sharpysparky

by pitano1 Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:02 am

You have agreed to pay as long as they issue you with a proper invoice. This is called 'conditional acceptance' and it removes any controversy, [beovat]

Any callers you don`t want.?
well...REMOVE their implied right of access
ps.
Any further demands/visits by the company will leave them open to a counterclaim.
regards.
pitano1

by Sharpysparky Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:35 pm

hi pitano1, yes that's exactly what I have done, its just the suspense that's killing me, If I had received a letter from them saying its been closed I would be happier, is this something they should do out of courtesy? or are they just too pig ignorant for that!?
kind regards
sharpysparky

by pitano1 Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:27 pm

hi.sharpysparky.
first off.....lets not insult any pigs. Smile

Regarding courtesy well, they may not shit on your lawn but, that's as far
it extends.
REMEMBER...You have offered to pay.
regards.
pitano1.

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