Re: Smart Meter Removal

by **LionsShare** Mon Feb 14, 2022 1:44 pm

regarding contract please read the 1st post in this thread:
https://goodf.forumotion.com/t5369-utility-association

by **LionsShare** Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:06 pm

tiffy wrote:within 2 weeks i've had nothing but trouble with this. the inside the house box is not working, been on the phone several times with them saying they will fix it remotely-nothing done. then they said its something to do with the electric (i haven't got the smart meter on the electric) i've had to go outside to give them a reading off a white (twice) card left in the electric box they said it will work in 10 days? and today the gas supply is off. i can't use the outside box to put the supply back on as it needs a pin number which i haven't got! last thursday i put in £5.00 and it didn't register so on friday was the phone and they gave me £30 as a good will gesture, i had £35 in the meter on friday. today i have £7.50. ridiculous.

Perhaps you could get a friend to help & try to ring, stay on the line be firm but also be polite (I know from experience its really hard to get any sense of normallity out of these people) if you are rude they will put the phone down, stress your situation as due to lack of supply you feel your life is under threat as you can't cook or whatever for youself & you are suffering unnecassary hardship (nothing to do with money) because of the supply interruption.

There doesn't seem to be much point in the way of stating, 'being a 'loyal' customer over the last ? years this is disgraceful behaviour & currently am thinking of moving my business elsewhere'. What I find, things like threatening with this or that unless it involves cash value does not make them move that quick. I know its a pain for you but short of getting hold of them by the short & curlies there ain't too much 1 can do.

Please correct me if I am wrong, as you have smart meters in are you on some sort of top up as well or included in your smart meters - are the meters set to pre pay in other words? Am only asking as trying to help.

by tiffy Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:15 pm

been on the phone for an hour now passed from pillar to post, one person said they were arranging an emergency engineer to come out today exchange the meter, i said i don't want it, i want i taken out but fell on deaf ears.

i top up the gas online with the smart meter, the electric i've stuck to paper billing.

by **LionsShare** Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:22 pm

ah! as you are on paper billing please have a real good look at the tear off slip, under the thick black box is the 1st word 'CHEQUE'? Is there the phrase 'TransCash' which is actually a logo on there too? Somewhere towards the upper left corner.

Being on the phone I know what can be happening to you as have been there myself - many a time - its as thought these people are taught to be obstinate?

by **daveiron** Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:31 pm

You could try this,but will need to type it out before they come out.

I xxxxxxx require that the present smart meter be removed and replaced
with an analog meter ,the fitting of a smart meter against my consent will constitute
your accpetance of your unlimited personal liability of both yourself and also
the Chief Executive of ( name company) for any and all affects i may accquire.

to add film it ,and you presenting it

by tiffy Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:49 pm

bloke just turned up and he said he is taking the meter out so i can go back to my old card payments? fingers crossed, he never said a word and is more than happy ripping it out. do i still need to send that email off quick?

by **LionsShare** Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:54 pm

what email? You really need to be into paper billing for both - NO cards of any sort! Cards are a higher tarriff!

by tiffy Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:56 pm

this one

I xxxxxxx require that the present smart meter be removed and replaced
with an analog meter ,the fitting of a smart meter against my consent will constitute
your accpetance of your unlimited personal liability of both yourself and also
the Chief Executive of ( name company) for any and all affects i may accquire

by **LionsShare** Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:58 pm

No not if the analog paper billing meters are in for BOTH otherwise YES send it now

by tiffy Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:22 pm

smart meter has been ripped out and back to my car payment! no questions and was happy to take it out.

by tiffy Sun Feb 20, 2022 12:40 pm

if its not one thing its another. now my water supplier insists its compulsory to have a smart water meter fitted, i've called and emailed saying i don't want one and they don't have my consent. they said its their property and its compulsory

by **daveiron** Sun Feb 20, 2022 1:42 pm

Have a look around the web and see if you can find a suitable notice,
if not we will compose a Notice of Conditional Acceptance for you.

by **LionsShare** Sun Feb 20, 2022 2:21 pm

compulsory smart meter, read this, the choice is yours:
https://www.comparethemarket.com/energy/content/are-smart-meters-compulsory/

How do I get a smart meter removed?

Smart meters have real benefits, but if you’re really not happy with yours, you could ask your supplier to remove it. There may be a cost for this. Alternatively, you could simply ask for the meter’s smart functionality to be switched off.

Also the 1st post in this thread:
https://goodf.forumotion.com/t3953-spark-energy-gets-a-warrant-to-fit-a-smart-meter-health-hazard

by tiffy Mon Feb 21, 2022 12:12 pm

LionsShare wrote:compulsory smart meter, read this, the choice is yours:
https://www.comparethemarket.com/energy/content/are-smart-meters-compulsory/

How do I get a smart meter removed?

Smart meters have real benefits, but if you’re really not happy with yours, you could ask your supplier to remove it. There may be a cost for this. Alternatively, you could simply ask for the meter’s smart functionality to be switched off.

Also the 1st post in this thread:
https://goodf.forumotion.com/t3953-spark-energy-gets-a-warrant-to-fit-a-smart-meter-health-hazard

i already had the gas smart meter taken out last week, its the water company that want too install one now. i did read the link you post on compare the market but its only about energy.

by tiffy Mon Feb 21, 2022 12:16 pm

daveiron wrote:Have a look around the web and see if you can find a suitable notice,
if not we will compose a Notice of Conditional Acceptance for you.

hi, i searched yesterday. on my water company website it says 'do i get a choice if i want a smart meter fitted' and the answer was 'No'.
they just said yesterday its their property and its compulsory. they rang a few minutes ago and kept asking over and over 'whats your reason for not wanting one' i said i don't want one and thats a good enough answer. i emailed them twice and its been ignored. fed up with all this smart meter stuff, i'm already on a water meter why do i need a smart meter!!

by **LionsShare** Mon Feb 21, 2022 12:30 pm

tiffy hi,

I know its hard sometime to find exactly what you are looking for, I can't find anything direct either, you could phone & ask for proof its compulsory - show me the legislation!

As they are asking why you don't want 1 it sounds dodge to me as if they are in a round about way trying to get your permission to do so, sorry can't help further at the mo!

Agree you don't need 1.

by **assassin** Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:05 pm

Its none of their business why you don't want them and it is only a ploy to get you speaking to them so they can beat you down and get you to agree, actually the law on water meters is simple, they are voluntary and you have the choice to have them or not.

You can do a simple notice to them charging them rental for having their property on your property and I would suggest charging them 10% more than your water bill.

As Dave suggests you rebut their unsubstianted claim by telling them to show exactly which legislation they are relying on and you instantly have a claim of fraud against then as their staff will be indoctrinated dummies in it for the salary/wages only and bolstered no doubt by bonuses.

by **daveiron** Mon Feb 21, 2022 3:24 pm

Ok , from this point on ,no more phone/emails. everything via Royal Mail
signed for.

Print a copy of their emails,
Write to them ,you require the name of the
man or woman who is making the claim that its compulsory,and that they
stand under their personal liability for that statement.
See what you get back,in the mean time i will put together a NoCA for
you following their response.
Just make sure you are not at cross purposes and getting confused with
an analoge meter.

by **urchinatheart** Thu Feb 24, 2022 11:12 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GULigoPZq24

by tiffy Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:13 pm

sorry not replied, i've not been well.
quickly back to the gas meter situation. had email from SSE asking me to give them a meter reading for the electric, went outside and its a different box. i called them just now was told i had been put on a smart meter for the electric too i told them i never asked for this, that i only wanted the gas smart meter installed (so i didn't have to go out and get gas as i'm ill a lot and thought it would help in that way) i had always been paper billed for the electric and told them i was happy with it that way and didn't ant that changed. he said theres no way i could get it uninstalled yet i told my gas one had. they've completely conned me i had no idea they had changed the electric one as well. i've been given an estimated electric bill and to be honest i have no plans to pay it.
i have emailed them and took photos of what i've wrote, i said the same as in the email someone here wrote out. how do i go about invoicing them for having their property on mine?

by tiffy Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:15 pm

i haven't even started with the water smart meter yet....

by **LionsShare** Sat Feb 26, 2022 1:52 pm

NOTICE-OF-INVOICE.

Dear Thee-Ving B'strds

Please pay this invoice for the holding charge of SSE meters at £??/day for dates from ??/??/?? to ??/??/??. Total comes to £??

Yours Extremely Hard Done To.....

remember invoice is a reminder to pay, a bill is a demand for payment.

by **daveiron** Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:46 pm

Why are you consenting to a smart meter for gas ? there are other pre
payment methods.
Consenting to one totally destroys your argument for another.
If you are serious just use this and change the wording from water to
electric;
https://goodf.forumotion.com/t5594-smart-water-meter-draft#37885

by **LionsShare** Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:46 pm

You also have another avenue of attack but its fraught with perils that will follow on as you are now, even going down the road of endorsement, it does not end. Why not consider having your own meters fitted & it ain't cheap, you would have to find proper registered people to fit them & prices can vary. Leccy last I looked £50-£100, gas £150+ & get full safety certs for each. S/he who controls the meter controls the supply. Have a think, if its not for you then that's OK. Its going to be up to you to push as far as you can to get ordinary meters back in. I did post this earlier in this thread:

https://goodf.forumotion.com/t3953-spark-energy-gets-a-warrant-to-fit-a-smart-meter-health-hazard

From the info contained in the link above its up to you to push to get those meters changed, please remember from this site we cannot do it for you only state as far knowledge & experience goes what is to be done/what can be done. I am not going to SSE & get hold of whoever is responsible by the short & curlies & shout - 'get those meters changed at tiffy's house'. I would be well out of order & end up in jail.

The type of meters you need to be on are current credit (analog) meters discharged to util CoS 1ce per 1/4. Important NO card or top up or pre pay or any other type of meter.

The main reason is you are NOT responsible for giving (paying) your cash to these parasites - none of us are, that will take research & dedication use due diligance.

If you have more questions please ask but to be honest in terms of the limit of my knowledge & experience I am close to that limit, again push to get those meters changed, they are suppose to do it & there is NO 'Law' that states you have to have pre-pay or any type other than what you need.

LS

by tiffy Sat Feb 26, 2022 7:03 pm

daveiron wrote:Why are you consenting to a smart meter for gas ? there are other pre
payment methods.
Consenting to one totally destroys your argument for another.
If you are serious just use this and change the wording from water to
electric;
https://goodf.forumotion.com/t5594-smart-water-meter-draft#37885

i had a pre pay meter where i had to go out to the shop before. as i'm not well and struggle to get out i had been told if i had a smart meter i could just top up the gas on the computer instead of having to go out. i didn't know it would be costing me £30pw and the box stopped working and for some reason it turned my gas off so they sent out the emergency engineer who took the gas smart meter out an i'm back to before. BUT i didn't know they had put me on a smart meter for the electric. i only said i wanted one for gas. i didn't consent to the electric, i had told them i was happy as i was with the electric and didn't want that changed.

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