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Hi Waffle

i've edited the next-but-one-up post as it may have looked like i was being condescending, ('feckin YES! Absolutely!') when i meant to convey how impressed i was that you'd spotted it.

Cheers!

Hi iaman

No offence was taken matey

Blacks 4 is the earliest I can go with that publisher, its all legal language right, I'm convinced thats why surname is there, as a reference that surname in action.


SUR. Fr. On; upon; over. In the titles of real
actions "sur" was used to point out what the writ
was founded upon. Thus, a real action brought by
the owner of a reversion or seigniory, in certain
cases where his tenant repudiated his tenure, was
called "a writ of right sur disclaimer." So, a writ
of entry sur disseisin was a real action to recover
the possession of land from a disseisor. Sweet.


But this is interesting from bouviers 1856, 20 years after the civil registration came into action. This might help with your timelines your looking for Philposts...

SURNAME. A name which is added to the christian name, and which, in modern times, have become family names.

2. They are called surnames, because originally they were written over the name in judicial writings and contracts. They were and are still used for the purpose of distinguishing persons of the same name. They were taken from something attached to the persons assuming them, as John Carpenter, Joseph Black, Samuel Little, &c. See Name.


They are called surnames, because originally they were written over the name in judicial writings and contracts. Well its to do with action, judiciary (action) and contracts (action). It also says in modern times they have become family names, I would suggest that the modern times is from 1836 when civil registration was introduced, thats only 20 years before this dictionary was written, modern right.........



I also found this for you philpots....

surname and registration were first attached to titles of nobility, that’s from the 16th century and modified in the 18th century.

Surname came into being at the beginning of the 19th century the 1800’s and was first used in the nepolionic bonaparth nepolionic code 1804 first use of surname as a legal requirement for a legal name.


For your interests as well, your given name/christian name is also all one word, don't be fooled by the space and capitalisation of the first letters to separate them, you can only have one name and if your christian name is more than one name it will be but one........


Not yet sure where we need to look for capitalisation, maybe international commercial law??

Waffle, have I taught you nothing, if you are going to take offence then you also take the posts and the gates.

Hi guys

assassin - Ha!

Waffle - maybe it was originally called a 'sire' name and the French sound-alike 'sur' was used to disguise the intended 'sire'.

Why? Because christians were savvy to what a 'sire'name meant - slavery! i suspect that is what is being referred to in the quote: "call no man father...."


Another KJV coincidence, of course.....

Cheers!

Hey Assassin glad you reminded me i need the posts and the gates to put the offence back up!

Hey iamani

Perhaps it was introduced for those purposes, the law dictionary are a good resource for how the terminology was and is legally used, we've touched on his-storey, if we bring sur into how it is used today by using blacks as a rough guide it still says this:

Fr. On; upon; over. In the titles of real actions "sur" was used to point out what the writ was founded upon. Thus, a real action brought by the owner of a re- version or seigniory, in certain cases where his tenant repudiated his tenure, was called "a writ of right sur disclaimer." So, a writ of entry sur disseisin was a real action to re- cover the possession of land from a disseisor. Sweet.

This phase, "So, a writ of entry sur disseisin was a real action to re- cover the possession of land from a disseisor. Sweet.", says a lot to me. A writ of entry.... what is done when we register a birth? are we making an entry? desseisin, you should research the "livery of seisin" this is where the term delivery derived from "the livery" (to take) and "seisin" Sieze possession of title and property"  the surname is taken/seized  in the hospital in the livery, are we not making an entry to re-cover possession of the lands taken in the livery?

This is taken from blacks online ENTRY.

But it is otherwise upon a discontinuance ordeforcement, for in these latter two cases the former possessor cannot remedy thewrong by entry for in these latter two cases the former possessor cannot remedy thewrong by entry, but must do so by action, inasmuch as the original entry being in these cases lawful, and therefore conferring anapparent right of possession, the law will not suffer such apparent right to beoverthrown by the mere act or entry of the claimant.

the entry confers an apparent right of possession..... The law will not be overthrown by the mere act or entry of the claimant.

So what if they've done away with writs and replaced them with registers..... One to look into

We have an apparent right of possession but need to take action to recover the the property/lands.


So we have taken a step of action for the re-posssession of the estate by making an entry, now we have an apparent right of possession of the estate, but the law will not be overthrown by a mere entry..... SO, what further action do we need to take to get our estate revested?? Are the CQV's really holding the key, who's tried anything or are we all theorising, we need to elaborate on this to figure out what action we need to take and who we need to take the action against.......

reversion and signatory are two other words here well worth elaborating on....

This is what blacks says about livery, think of delivery ward, the mother is carrying, she is a carriage delivering, what do they take? They seize title and possession and grant an apparant right of possession, everything in this process is a grant, anyway before I waffle any more try this.....

LIVERY

1. In English law. Delivery of possession of their lands to the king's tenants in capite or tenants by knight's service. 2. A writ which may be sued out by a ward in chivalry, on reaching his majority, to obtain delivery of the possession of his lands out of the hands of the guardian

Law Dictionary: What is LIVERY? definition of LIVERY (Black's Law Dictionary)



Now if that one word dosnt sum up what we are discussing/trying to achieve.....

LIVERY OF SEISIN

Everything is land and property...........

Again a lot of this stems from feudal law

Hi Waffle

Yes, it would appear so.

i think your onto something with 'livery of seisin'.

An orphan is a 'ward'.

Can an orphan issue a writ of livery sur seisin/disseisin?

The CQV Act 1666 declared us all orphan's to take advantage of funds we are ignorant of.

Social security funding started in 1601.....

Didn't you mention something about the plundering of the 'orphans' fund in another thread, or was it alab or assassin or candor?

Cheers!

Yes that was the city of London orphans.

If man is made from the dust of the earth KJV , does that not make man land? The mother is a carriage delivering the dust of the earth, she is a carriage delivering goods by sea.... this is how I think they have combined maritime with land...

Hi Waffle

Yes, i've posted as much several times (i thought you were already operating under that assumption tbh) - we ARE the land, our body is our first estate and res of the initial trust.

But there's more....

We have been 'quartered'. We are made up of the four recognised elements of the realm:

Air - this is the 'word', our 'soul' and it is claimed and held by the Vatican.

Earth - is the body, the flesh, and it is claimed and regulated by Washington DC.

Water - is the mind and is claimed and governed by The City of London.

Fire - is the will, the 'anima' and it is owned by you according to the doctrine of free will.

And our blood is the sea upon which commerce floats.

Genesis tells us we were fashioned from clay - we are land, that's common-law, of 'man' who was given dominion over (sur) the land (his body).

Commerce see's us as 'the sea of humanity' - that is water, admiralty/maritime law, of 'person'.

i believe the orphans' fund was once a repository for the heritage/perpetual accounts, with initial funding from the proceeds of the sale/lease/rental of the land occupied by the City.

The KJV is significant to legislation and commerce and was edited to be so, there are remedies if you believe......

Wouldn't you say it's more of an overlay than a combination?

We're getting close Waffle.

Cheers!

Hi Waffle

If you didn't consider us as land when you where researching CT, try re-reading the threads we posted on re: CT with that in mind....

Might lead to a new realisation.

Cheers!