Motoring Revenue

Its been revealed that motoring tickets issued for speeding offences have risen from 1.6M to 2.1M from 2016 - 2017 so how has this come about, and who are the real winners here?

Since the demise of the road safety partnerships who were made up of local councils, police authorities, and a road safety charity, all the revenue now goes directly to the treasury instead of the road safety partnership, and they spend precious little of this on road safety, so were the road safety partnerships merely a way of pacifying the public and indoctrinating them into believing it was all about road safety when it would appear it was a stepping stone so the treasury could cream off the money in the longer term as they do now. As little as 3% of motoring revenue was spent on the roads which meant a 97% profit for doing very little.

We hear the environmental arguments, and yet again they do not add up as a full story is never told, only cherry picked elements are ever cobbled together in a deliberate attempt to mislead the public, and of course to lead people towards Government's favourite pastime of screwing the public for money by forcing them towards the environmentally unfriendly electric cars, but why? you can buy a family saloon in petrol form for around £15,000 easily enough, but make that an electric vehicle or variant of that model and the cost rises to around £25,000 for what is essentially a worse vehicle, but the Government gets 20% VAT from either a £15,000 or a £25,000 car so you can do the maths.
Recent studies have shown that a 100 Kwh battery for an electric car produces emissions equivalant to 8.2 years of use of a similar petrol engined vehicle, and that is only for the production of the battery, add in the disposal emissions for that battery, and the emissions produced in manufacturing the rest of the vehicle and this figure rises significantly, but why. Only one survey into environmental emissions produced for the lifecycle of a vehicle has been done due to its complexity and it concluded that at the top of the list, or the least polluting vehicles were 4X4's as they use plain mild steels in their production and they have a long life, at the bottom of the list were electric cars which are actually the worst pollutors on the entire vehicle lifecycle scale due to the manufacturing of lightweight carbon steels and their electronics which are dumped and not recycled, and of course their batteries which CANNOT still be recycled. Only elements within the actual batteries can be recycled.
In this one survey it showed that 80% of vehicle emissions are produced during the manufacture and disposal of a vehicle, the remaining 20% of emissions are "in service" emissions which are emissions produced during running the vehicle; so why are Governments still claiming that 80% of vehicle emissions are "in service emissions" when they have been conclusively shown this is untrue, clearly the Government are known liars by still peddling this fantasy.

Who loses financially? obviously the motorist as they are paying 66.6% more for the same vehicle with electric power and limited operational capacity.

Who wins? Government from taxation on new cars with a much higher purchase price, the revenue from excessive speeding tickets, the po-lice as they enforce these rules and get a percentage of the supposed fine, the councils as they also get a percentage of the supposed fine as both are private companies and want paying for their services, basically its incentive led enforcement where the more they issue, the more they receive.

Lets look around Europe, in Belguim, Ireland, Portugal, and Spain their maximum speed limits are 75MPH, in Slovakia, France and Holland their maximum speed limits are 80 MPH, and in Italy their maximum speed limit is 95 MPH, so why are the UK falling for the safety and environmental B/S when every other major EU country has a higher speed limit then ours. If we look at Germany they have a maximum speed limit of 80 MPH on many roads, but a lot of them have no maximum speed limit at all, hardly safety or environmentally friendly as our Government proclaim.
Why is it so safe to travel at higher maximum speeds in other EU countries and not in the UK, are the cars all made to the same EU regulations? YES, so why are they supposedly safer than us.

If we look at the enforcement policies of the UK then it is the ACPO policy of a 10% + 2MPH before you can be issued with a ticket for speeding, yet this po-lice policy is flouted by all of these people, in a 30 MPH limit you must be doing 33 MPH + 2 MPH which is 35 MPH before a speeding ticket can be issued, in a 60 MPH area you have to be doing 66 MPH + 2 MPH or 68 MPH before a ticket can be issued, and on a UK motorway you must be doing 77 MPH + 2 MPH or 79 MPH befoe a ticket can be issued.

Wasn't it Nottingham council who issued speeding tickets to people doing 31 MPH and the courts upheld them instead of following the ACPO policy of 10% + 2 MPH which means they cannot be issued until someone exceeds 35 MPH.

Or is it the ABBA policy of money money money.

You know as we all do on here that everything that comes out of that whore house in London (Parliament) is there to screw us, there's talk now of making cyclists wear crash helmets - 'fines' if you don't, what next all bicycles to be registered, it's one big corporation & it stinks but slave like people are the masses - how often are you laughed at by such idiots?

All speed limits should be guidelines & no more, there'll come a time life won't be worth living where we are heading it's people like us who keep trying to awaken idiots, i lost faith in mankind years ago & accept other creatures on this planet have more intelligence than man but that's another story.

Speed limits are a contentious issue as a 30 MPH speed limit next to a school may be too high when the kids are turning out of school, yet at 3 am you could easily do 130 MPH very safely, much of the school debate is emotional blackmail and nothing less as it plays on the emotions of about 20% of the population who are parents and shout the loudest about their little darlings who can often do no wrong. Clearly they exploit this emotion for revenue, yet only tonight I passed a school turning out and the parents were parked everywhere and not only blocking the road, but causing a danger to everyone, where were the plod? possibly looking for someone to beat up.

It raises the question of why the same EU specification cars are safe to drive at 80 MPH in much of the EU, but not the UK, and why they can be driven at unlimited speeds in Germany.

My brother drives a big truck and i was visiting him the other week. In his yard was this 1000 litre tank that held a clear looking liquid. I asked him was it water and he said it is an additive he puts in the with diesel and it produces less polution. He said that ships produce more pollution than cars and trucks together. The Government is working with ship companies to reduce their ships output of pollution but it will take a few more years.
Here in Australia that anyone riding a bike must wear a helmet or if caught will be fined.

Exactly assasin it's emotional blackmail, bring the 'child' in & it usually works, as with many things there's usually another motive behind what we are told.

I go back to what i say that speed limits should be no more than guide lines, i used a road regularly before with 40mph limit one stretch was straight no junctions/housing/parked cars i did 60mph regular down there because you could & it was safe to do so, another stretch of it had all the obstuctions the other didn't i dropped down to 30mph but could 'legally' have done 40mph - it's all about applying logic.

I'm aware of areas where apparently tthe public are giving priority over vehicles (child zones or some other ridiculous term given) on roads in built up areas this is dangerous & illogical as it gives the child the false mindset that you can play on the road as it is safe - the child then ventures elsewhere with this in their mind & 'splat' the car hits them. I had it drilled into me from a young age that roads are for cars & they are dangerous places.

We live in a police state & until the docile masses awaken to that nothing will change - they all know the 'law' though don't they - idiots!

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Kestrel - why worry about idiots who like being idiots with no desire to stop being idiots? The root of the problem is their wilful ignorance - after all, if they acknowledge the problems they might feel obliged to address them in some fashion, and being selfish lazy fools that might cramp their style.

Let go the frustration fella, it shows your empathy and sense of altruism - but it WILL make you ill....

Cheers!

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Kestrel - why worry about idiots who like being idiots with no desire to stop being idiots? The root of the problem is their wilful ignorance - after all, if they acknowledge the problems they might feel obliged to address them in some fashion, and being selfish lazy fools that might cramp their style.

Let go the frustration fella, it shows your empathy and sense of altruism - but it WILL make you ill....

Cheers!

Well you summed it up "The root of the problem is their wilful ignorance", that's where the frustration lies with me, let's face it none of us on here woke one morning & know everything we know now BUT we all had something trigger in where we are today in what we know - the masses have a mental blockage they cannot see beyond that, free thinkers are not that common & that is why i have issues with most because of this inability by most to have any form of critical thinking. I left the 'theatre' of my own accord & i know others here did the same, trying to entice others out scares them, their enslavement is their comfort zone.

My cure is to embrace in the solice of nature away from the insanity of mankind......

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Kestral - you have sumed it up about free thinkers & the general masses. Having told people about "conditional offer to accept" over speeding tickets, informed others how to beat parking tickets, even tell others about the joint giro for utilities all I get is "sod off knob head, you talk a load of sh*t".

If others refuse to beleive then as the preverbial cliche "you can lead a horse to water but can't make him drink"

assassin - I honestly did not know the road safety partnerships were dissolved, but thanks for informing. Speed camera vans where I live have not gone completely but are fewer in appearence now, but have not noticed the wording " road safety partnerships" taken off either.

Speed limits have always been "prosecutable" form 1 - 14 mph over the limit at the courts/coppers discretion. After that it is mandatory they prosecute.

True LionShare regarding 'the horse to water', without going through everything one of the ways i've tried to entice people (as a starting point) more than others is given them info on not paying a TV Licence, informing them i've not paid one for years & the info i have works, i put a document together containing all eventualities then sample letters, implied right of access notice etc & even another document simplifying it all - not bloody one of them has used it they all still pay like the slaves they are & are very good at insulting me but yes the insults i've had over the years & even to near violence on some of the more 'sensitve' topics....

Anyway back to the original post i put the following info up before but here it is again for those that have not seen it regarding speeding:

Under Road Traffic Act (Construction & use) , states speedometers are to be manufactured to within 10% tolerance (unable to find Act do another search), this means that an extra 10% speed is allowed i.e. if doing 30mph then 33mph allowed, 40mph then 44mph, 50mph, 55mph allowed & so on.

Speeding Ticket, Cameras etc:
Speeding fine/camera help
http://www.getoutofdebtfree.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=35650

Speed Ticket Info
http://www.speed-trap.co.uk/Accused_Home/Rules_useage/The_Law.htm

Speed ticket help:
http://www.speed-trap.co.uk/Accused_Home/Rules_useage/The_Law.htm

Courts - Statutory Declaration:
http://www.getoutofdebtfree.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=142&t=52302&p=173398&hilit=speeding+fine#p167554

Info on how & when tickets are issued
http://www.which.co.uk/cars/driving/driving-advice/dealing-with-speeding-tickets/speeding-fines-your-rights/
ACPO speed enforcement guidelines
Speed limit Min speed for a speeding ticket Min speed for prosecution
20mph 25mph 35mph
30mph 35mph 50mph
40mph 46mph 66mph
50mph 57mph 76mph
60mph 68mph 86mph
70 mph 79mph 96mph
What will happen if you are caught speeding
You have 28 days to respond to a speeding fine

If a car is seen speeding, the registered keeper will receive a Notice of Intended Prosecution (NIP) detailing the offence, and a document called a Section 172 notice.

You must respond within 28 days, using the Section 172 notice to nominate the person who was driving at the time of the alleged speeding offence. Not doing so is a separate, specific offence which could lead to a fine and penalty points being added to your driving licence.

If you were stopped by the police for speeding, the officer can give you a verbal warning of prosecution instead. An NIP is not required if the offence happened as part of a road traffic accident.

How long the police have to issue a speeding notice
The police must serve an NIP within 14 days of the alleged speeding offence, but there are some circumstances in which the notice will still stand even if it's served later than this, for example:
if extra time is needed for the police to act with 'reasonable diligence' to find out who the registered keeper is and how to contact them; or
if the delay was the driver’s fault, for example because they have not told the DVLA of a recent change of address.
If you receive a speeding ticket

With most minor speeding offences, when you return the NIP, you'll receive a Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty Notice (FPN).
You can choose either to pay this and accept the penalty points or, if you don't think the speeding ticket is correct, contest the speeding charge in court.
When deciding whether to contest a speeding charge, you should bear in mind that, in court, the prosecution’s role is simply to prove that a driver was speeding.
Defences such as you did not intend to speed, didn't know you were speeding or you only exceeded the speed limit for a short time will not be taken into consideration.

If the police prosecute you for speeding
If you already have more than eight points on your licence, or if you were travelling way above the speed limit, the police may choose to prosecute you in court. In this case, you will be sent a court summons.
The police have up to six months from the date of the offence to start speeding court proceedings.
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How to beat UK speeding tickets (2014)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNxvlr_OKyg
Penalty charge notice PCN..fixed penalty charges
http://lawfulrebellion.org/wp-…..ellion.zip

Oh & the old favourite that is forever ignored:
Quote from the act itself Bill of Rights [1688]:
Grants of Forfeitures.
That all Grants and Promises of Fines and Forfeitures of particular persons before Conviction are illegall and void.

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Kestrel - good resources those, thanks.

However, beating a speeding ticket is easy - if you don't venture into the subject matter of the offence.

You will only (99 times out of 100 imo) beat such a thing on procedure and by knowing thyself.

'.....you'll receive a Conditional Offer....'

That says it all guys - they send you a Conditional Offer, you reply with a Conditional Acceptance asking some uncomfortable questions.

It took someone i know just 2 letters to beat one.....

Also i like the last line of your post - it covers so much more than just debts.....

Cheers!

The wording "Road Safety Partnerships" still remain on many vehicles around the country and we still have them near us.

Construction and Use regs apply because of something called the rolling radius of a tyre and as a tyre wears its diameter reduces, as does the actual distance travelled for one full rotation of the tyre, on a large 4X4 such as mine this distance is greater due to deeper tread depth, on a traditional car you get around 7mm of tread depth, on a large 4X4 you get around 12mm of tread depth.