Council Tax

by bimmer Fri May 12, 2017 1:59 pm

I have a vulnerable friend, who can't pay their council tax. The gov says it's a civil offence.

Found this here - https://www.daventrydc.gov.uk/living/council-tax/what-happens-if-you-dont-pay-your-council-tax/ -

at the bottom, it says : You can also be asked to provide information about your employment and income. Failure to supply this information is a criminal offence and the Council may prosecute you in the Magistrates Court

And summons' from the council, say it is a complaint, which I assumed was a "Criminal Complaint"

Can anyone clarify?

Thanks

Council Tax Office11

by ceylon Fri May 12, 2017 4:14 pm

bollox its a civil matter and when is it a crime not to answer its not but we live in a totally corrupt society

by Guest Fri May 12, 2017 4:39 pm

Hi bimmer

'You' as in statute?

From what i've read/watched it seems either conditional acceptance or article 61 M. C. is favorite. Or maybe a notice of clarification and understanding pertaining to jurisdiction.

Sorry can't really help, i am but a novice myself. Good luck!

Cheers!

by bimmer Fri May 12, 2017 7:16 pm

ceylon wrote:bollox its a civil matter and when is it a crime not to answer its not but we live in a totally corrupt society

just to be clear, you're saying bollox to it being civil or bollox to it being criminal? Laughing

by **assassin** Sat May 13, 2017 12:39 pm

Bollox to it being criminal.

Its a civil matter and the old trick they use here and in many other cases is to claim something you do/fail to do is criminal offence to scare you to make you attend and fall under their jurisdiction and consent to their authority by attending as your strawman.

by **Lopsum** Sat May 13, 2017 10:23 pm

fire with fire, isnt fraud a criminal offense?

by bimmer Sun May 14, 2017 8:28 am

assassin wrote:Bollox to it being criminal.

Its a civil matter and the old trick they use here and in many other cases is to claim something you do/fail to do is criminal offence to scare you to make you attend and fall under their jurisdiction and consent to their authority by attending as your strawman.

Thanks, but when it says "Complaint", are they trying you criminally? If so, can't it be thrown out, due to no injured party?

by bimmer Sun May 14, 2017 8:30 am

Lopsum wrote:fire with fire, isnt fraud a criminal offense?

Common Law Crime, yes

by **daveiron** Sun May 14, 2017 9:35 am

Sadly we know there is no win yet with CT. However i would make some officious bastard at the council squirm a little.
Ie; "I note that your summons contains a signature but does not contain a name,I therefore require to know who takes liability for this summons and what position they hold."
As you are aware I am a vulnerable person with severe disabilities .I am sure you are aware that councils have the discretion to reduce the amount due even down to zero.
Please inform me which individual from your council is responsible for making these decisions ,as i may wish to make a F.O.I. request on the subject of discretionary relief by your council. I also require all correspondence to be signed by a named individual who takes liability for its contents.

I am a great believer in putting the liability onto the individual who makes these decisions and clearly has no conscience as to the suffering they cause.

by bimmer Sun May 14, 2017 10:42 am

Thanks Dave, appreciate your help.

According to Troy though, there is remedy, I'm trying to verify his claims.

by **daveiron** Sun May 14, 2017 12:05 pm

I forgot to mention .

On the bottom of the councils letter it quotes the following & part of it is even underlined .

"Apply to the Magistrates Court for you to be sent to prison"

Thats why you should require the name. any payments payments should then be made with the following statement :

"This payment is made under extreme duress due to threats of physical violence against me by (add name) "
If you said no to prison ,they must use violence against you to get you there.

by bimmer Sun May 14, 2017 2:35 pm

by Guest Sun May 14, 2017 3:19 pm

Greetings

Hi bimmer

Isn't troy's approach the commercial (conditional acceptance) route? Can the case progress if they won't disclose jurisdiction when you ask via notice sent registered/special delivery? ( i'm a big fan of troy's presentations!)

Cheers!

by bimmer Sun May 14, 2017 4:45 pm

Salutations iamani Smile

Yes, that's right, he asks a multitude of questions, including, whether the case is criminal / civil, what are the rules of the procedure, is the case valid i.e injured party if criminal.

This is for people that want to stick with being the [wo]man and not capitulate to the courts wishes and become a "thing".

Neither's good or bad, it's just what you feel comfortable with.

Alternatively, trusts are another thing you may well benefit from.

by Guest Mon May 15, 2017 6:11 pm

Hi bimmer

Yes indeedy, the subject of trusts holds my interest but not as yet my understanding. Will be looking at your recommendation Richard Ansa amongst others.

As regards troy am i right that he suggests we sign 'without prejudice' and as 'A.R.' 'all rights reserved' when using commerce (UCC) to differentiate between the 'man' (representing) and the 'person' (thing)?

i think he might have actually recommended A4V to deal with council tax issues.

Hast thou considered asking them exactly who is 'you'....?

Or asking the CEO if a mags court can send someone to prison without their consent as demonstrated by the accused's (or their solicitor's) signature on the case management file? And if not then he (CEO) is liable to be prosecuted for his un-named underling's attempted extortion of money via fraudulent threats of prison.

i have no experience in this field i'm just speculating. That is to say i would definitely listen to the other guys rather than me!

Cheers!

by **daveiron** Tue May 16, 2017 4:29 pm

Why not send a Freedom of Information request ?the results could prove very interesting.
Whilst i prefer correspondence on paper (for the cost of a stamp) it can be done for free by email.

Something like this-

Dear xxxx Council
Under the Freedom of Information Act 2000.Please supply the following information.

1.Does xxxxx Council have discretionary powers in the case of hardship or vulnerability to reduce the charge payable for Council Tax ,even to to point of zero ?

2. In the year 2016-2017 how many Council Tax payers have been granted reductions in their payments due to the Councils discretion ?

3.In the year 2016-2017 how many Council Tax payers have had their Council Tax reduced to zero ?

They must respond within 40 days .If they dont report them to the ICO

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