Returning to the uk and dealing with contact tracing/quarantene

by falco Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:40 pm

Having just come back from an extended trip abroad, I made the error of not filling out a contact trace form or passinger locator. On the way out it was no biggy as I was handed a printout to fill in. So I was quit supprised to find a border force goon get shirty with me for not filling one out and want to take an official statement. I decided to give him my name rank and serial plus a dozen other details as I am sure they could have arranged a nice little cell or other worse penalties.

A few days later I got an text messege supposedly from a contact tracer asking me if I was self quaranteening, and if I had left my house. How should I handle it?

Could I ask for a name rank and official capacity, plus legislation autherising such data request, plus data protection policy in complience with current gdpr legislation, after all it could be a scam.....

by **daveiron** Sun Dec 13, 2020 4:00 pm

I think you only need to ask 'Am I obliged to answer that? If so please
state the law.

by **assassin** Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:50 am

Laws and NOT rules.

by Mrblue2015 Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:24 am

Yep and also MANDATORY is not a substitute for a LAW! Amazing how people think the two are the same. Get an education for heaven’s sake...

by **LionsShare** Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:40 pm

falco wrote:I made the error of not filling out a contact trace form or passinger locator.

How is it an error exactly? Who says you have to fill in.....?

by falco Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:55 pm

Sorry for the rather slow reply... I thought this topic had gone down a cul-de-sac.

For my troubles of disclosing personal info to the border force guy I got a 'notice of intention to serve a fixed penalty notice.

Snappy and original title doc I am sure you will agree. The said officer said I would get a formal decision on whether they would fine me for not filling out the form in advance.

As I may have already mentioned I got a text message supposedly from the contact tracing service asking if I was self isolating. After some deliberation I decided to ignore the message rather than question it. My reasoning being that it might only encourage the goons, I could always say that I receive hundreds of dubious texts a day if questioned.

by falco Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:02 pm

LionsShare,

You raise an interesting problem; when going though uk immigration control could you refuse to fill out any paperwork?

I will give the proviso that in this instance said individual has a uk valid passport.

by **assassin** Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:19 am

Issue a penalty charge notice and fine you? WTF.

Fines are for criminal matters and as they are not the lice they cannot fine you.

Penalty charge is a civil matter.

by flyingfish Thu Dec 17, 2020 1:33 pm

assassin wrote:Laws and NOT rules.

They're set out in a number of Statutory Instruments. I don't know if you call these "rules" or "laws". I think the relevant one would be ..
The Health Protection (Coronavirus, International Travel) (England) Regulations 2020

by falco Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:22 am

Interestingly the legislation continually refers to 'a person'. How does one present oneself to any authority be that border force personal, police etc without falling into the person trap?

For example without a presenting Passport or possibly Driving Licence which I presume puts you into their jurisdiction how are you going to pass their border and re-enter the country?

by **daveiron** Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:17 pm

I believe it can and has been done. I presume you invoke your inalienable
God given right to travel, because no law stands above Gods law.

by falco Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:11 pm

daveiron wrote:I believe it can and has been done. I presume you invoke your inalienable
God given right to travel, because no law stands above Gods law.

If you have time to find some evidence of that I would love to see it.... Going forward with this corona nonsense having such a tool to rely on would be invaluable. Very Happy

by **daveiron** Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:38 pm

I have had a quick look around ,sorry I cannot find what I was looking for.
I do recall this being addressed a few years ago & unless I am mistaken
I seem to remember it was Peter of England although I could be wrong.

by **LionsShare** Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:47 pm

POE has done so many wonderous things, its hard to keep up with all his good work. Far too many examples to list Very Happy

by falco Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:53 pm

daveiron wrote:I have had a quick look around ,sorry I cannot find what I was looking for.
I do recall this being addressed a few years ago & unless I am mistaken
I seem to remember it was Peter of England although I could be wrong.

Thanks for looking, if I get lucky I will post a link(s)

by falco Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:03 pm

daveiron wrote:I believe it can and has been done. I presume you invoke your inalienable
God given right to travel, because no law stands above Gods law.

I found this from Dolores Cahill and thought it might be of some use. a bit late, but hope this is some use to peeps: https://www.facebook.com/reignitedemocracyaustralia/videos/2857102047892269/?sfnsn=scwspmo

by **daveiron** Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:47 am

Thats a great find, It clearly answers your question,I guess it all comes down
to if you are prepared to stand upon your rights & take a bit of crap doing it.

by falco Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:32 pm

Yep only problem is it is on facebook, but I think she has her own website.

Just found it here it is: https://dolorescahill.com/pages/speeches-media-interviews

by **daveiron** Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:28 am

Here she is again,sorry i only came across this last night.

by falco Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:55 am

Even more reason to stand on your rights:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1388963/Boris-Johnson-border-controls-Coronavirus-quarantine-hotels-Brazil-South-Africa-ont

Paying for 2 weeks enforced quarantine or perhaps up to 3 nights in a cell for standing your ground....

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