Dealing With The DWP

Quite clearly you are looking to create issues and not read and absorb what has been written and you clearly have not read what I have suggested but still you try to argue moot points instead of trying to understand them and you are still looking to play them in their system and you will lose. Until you take them out of their fraudulent system you will lose and once you take them on under the true law you will lose. wrote:

She thought she caught us out and ran out after us, outside the building and chased me up the road and I got this on camera wrote:

instead of insinuating people are making fraudulent claims wrote:

Instead pf posting War and peace type posts and flip flopping from one thing to another I would suggest focusing on the basics and getting it right, and instead of insinuating people are making fraudulent claims, or that it is somewhat different because they may or may not have been in that situation is somehow different because it isn't and trying to constantly undermine posts is something a troll would do. wrote:

Dealing With The DWP New post by Sharpysparky Mon Apr 25, 2022 6:26 pm Assassin, theses were my thoughts exactly, the jumping from pillar to post and coming up with mile long post, is as if it were someone on the ‘other side’ trying to gain information, and just ‘noting’ comments and not doing something constructive with them made me very very dubious, well said Assassin wrote:

Photon wrote:Thanks for your replies and information.

I will try to watch the Videos Daveiron, I so far took a quick look at some parts of them. and I appreciate that
they probably do explain a lot of details in ref to questioning the Laws , and Govts etc and educate readers of a variation of related topics.

BUT I am not they will offer me the answers to some of the questions that I was trying to ask.

I was initally trying to ask was there any chance of trying to find out if there maybe a more straight forward approach
in what steps one would be expected to have to take next after applying for and obtaining a DSAR ..

such as would I have to write to the DWP in ref to me trying to confront them in ref to my past claim being
stopped for not attending their medical.

All I am trying to do is to see if anyone else has had a similar experience , where they may had been able to relatively
easily know how best to go about challenging them to try to obtain benefits that the DWP stopped.
and Hopefully not have to attend a court case or tribunial.

or to know if there may had been a way to use some sort of legal advisor or solicitor to aid them.
BUT I suspect what your trying to tell me is the whole system is rigged and there is unlikely any easy solution
to succeed against them.





Assassin I assure you it is NOT my intention to create any issues or to argue.
All I have been trying to do is ask questions or ask if things could be further explained.

also to try to ask if there was an easier series of steps that I maybe able to take if trying to question the DWP about my case, that I have tried to explain. also without having to go to court or attend a tribunial.

BUT what you say below, I think I now have an answer to that, which  unfortunatley seems highly unlikely.
so at least I think you have clarified that for me.

Dealing With The DWP
New post by assassin Mon Apr 25, 2022 6:15 p


As far as I was aware , I was trying to just ask if anyone may have had similar experiences to my situation..
ie had their benefits stopped for not attending the DWP medical..or if they also had the same beliefs as me, that one should not need to attend such a thing.... and I was asking if there was someone, if  they may had been able to offer me any hopefully initially an more easy straight forward way to best go about it.

which I was hoping that there may had been a best way on how to go about appealing or writing a letter to them.
in the right way to hopefully get them to reconsider their decision, especially if people do have legal rights to
those benefits.

Initially I  was trying to ask you to clarify your earlier story about attending medicals with other people.
in ref to the person you said had tried to catch a person out.

Some of the things that you refer to below here... You may misunderstand what I am trying to explain or describe or what my intentions maybe behind me referring to them. or there is some misunderstanding in some of the past posts.



In ref to me making a ref to fraudulent claims...  Yes I may have made a ref to such things, as that is how now
on numerous occasions that DWP now is often making out that people who are asked to attend their medicals.

such things are a concern to anyone now who has been asked to attend their medicals... as this is now
seen as a main thing that they are being faced with, ie if they do not pass their medicals, they can accuse
any of us as trying to make fraudalent claims..

and that can also put people of considering attending them, as they now even fail some very disabled people
on these medicals...

so what I was saying is that have gone VERY strict and OTT of failing numerous people who attend them.
and they are getting away with doing so.

I am not sticking up for the DWP for failing anyone. and I do disagree with them failing so many people.
and to what ever degree of extent that they may now decide what is classed as acceptable as to whether
one passes it or not.




https://goodf.forumotion.com/t2754-dealing-with-the-dwp#38456


Unfortunately SS, some of the things I have tried to write about are a bit complex or involved, hence my long posts.

Yes I may asking certain questions to try to obtain certain information that I am trying to obtain,
BUT I am sorry to read that you think my intentions were VERY dubious.

I can only start to take a further steps once I think I have obtained the initial information that I am trying to ask
about...

I am greatly for some of the things that members had posted , but I was trying to ask a bit more to envision
if the next steps I may need to take seemed relatively simple and likely to be possible to obtain my desired result.

or if there was seeming little chance of being able to further persue things.

I am initially looking for a more simple approach if it exists..

as if I have start doing a lot of indepth further reseaech that maybe too complex for my abilities.
then I may not decide to consider persuing it any further.

I dont really have to start reading about Govt or DWP  policiesand laws ect , unless I can envision some reasonable
suggestions that I may be reasonably able to grasp and relatively quickly apply.

I was hoping for something like, if someone had say wrote a letter to the DWP, if they had  their benefits stopped by them for unattending their medical..

that if they are aware that such a person has certain legal rights to those benefits that they may be able to
explain to the DWP as to why they have NO rights to stop them for this or that reason by such and such a law.
and you can express the finer details to them... In some cases it maybe that such a thing could work as long
as you are confident and fully aware in one rights and know how to explain it to them...

RATHER than just accepting their decision.

SO my question maybe, is there anything that I can be advised on what I may need to say to them to get them
to note and to be concerned about , enough to make them alter their decisions or to sort of let them know
that one is aware of certain laws or rules that they may had been trying to deceive people from their rights.

But I am doubtful that such a thing maybe possible.


Dealing With The DWP
New post by Sharpysparky Mon Apr 25, 2022 6:26 pm

If your looking for a quick fix or one notice does it all ur are very deluded or just phishing, you clearly want help from knowledgeable peeps on here but if you keep on with your war and peace posts im afraid your going to get now where, we all have very busy lives and this help is all done for free so if your expecting someone to do the work for you you are badly mistaken, take it how you like i dont care but when someone suggests at looking at either a post or legislation then thats what you need to do, no one will do it for you, its called life! wrote:

daveiron on Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:08 pm I will explain this one final time. You will get nowhere ,or even be able to start any process without the supporting paperwork . Hence my advice to do a DSAR. wrote:

assassin wrote:I will explain it simply:

If you were/are in receipt of benefits you enter a contract with someone called the DWP and these create "the parties" and both parties are bound by these contractual conditions often called "the obligations" and some of which are that you attend medical examinations at the behest of the DWP who use qualified doctors to undertake them.

If you were called to a medical examination and failed to attend it means YOU have breached the contract and the DWP have the right under breach of contract to stop your benefits under a sanction, at this point you should have acted and provided reasonable cause why you could not attend such a required medical examination. You may have been ill or in hospital yourself or receiving treatment for a condition which meant you could not travel to such a interview, or you may have been on Jury service or similar requiring your attendance and any of the above or more would constitute "reasonable cause" for not attending a DWP medical examination and you cannot be sanctioned for reasonable cause so why did you fail to attend and what is your reasonable cause.

In such circumstances the DWP would reschedule this appointment and contact you to see if this was not conflicting with anything else and this appointment would be by mutual consent and difficult to avoid without extremely mitigating circumstances and if you could not go to them then they would arrange for their appointed doctor to come to you and visit at your home to undertake this examination.

You had every opportunity to contact them and nform them you could not attend their appointment and allow them to reschedule this appointment at their appointed examination centre or make an appointment to visit you at home, you failed to undertake any of these actions.

They sanctioned you for breaching the contract and still you didn't contact them to offer reasonable excuse and allow them to reschedule or visit you at home and these do have time limitations on them and offer reasonable cause for not attending.

In essence you failed at every opportunity and failed to act in this matter so you literally dont have a leg to stand on yet you persist on coming on the site and looking for the mythical silver bullet which doesn't exist and are unwilling to even grasp the full nature of your predicament and I find this to silly to be true as most people on benefits are totally reliant upon them and cannot afford such a loss, yet you seemingly can afford a subscription to the internet.

assassin wrote:I will explain it simply:

If you were/are in receipt of benefits you enter a contract with someone called the DWP and these create "the parties" and both parties are bound by these contractual conditions often called "the obligations" and some of which are that you attend medical examinations at the behest of the DWP who use qualified doctors to undertake them.

If you were called to a medical examination and failed to attend it means YOU have breached the contract and the DWP have the right under breach of contract to stop your benefits under a sanction, at this point you should have acted and provided reasonable cause why you could not attend such a required medical examination. You may have been ill or in hospital yourself or receiving treatment for a condition which meant you could not travel to such a interview, or you may have been on Jury service or similar requiring your attendance and any of the above or more would constitute "reasonable cause" for not attending a DWP medical examination and you cannot be sanctioned for reasonable cause so why did you fail to attend and what is your reasonable cause.

In such circumstances the DWP would reschedule this appointment and contact you to see if this was not conflicting with anything else and this appointment would be by mutual consent and difficult to avoid without extremely mitigating circumstances and if you could not go to them then they would arrange for their appointed doctor to come to you and visit at your home to undertake this examination.

You had every opportunity to contact them and nform them you could not attend their appointment and allow them to reschedule this appointment at their appointed examination centre or make an appointment to visit you at home, you failed to undertake any of these actions.

They sanctioned you for breaching the contract and still you didn't contact them to offer reasonable excuse and allow them to reschedule or visit you at home and these do have time limitations on them and offer reasonable cause for not attending.

In essence you failed at every opportunity and failed to act in this matter so you literally dont have a leg to stand on yet you persist on coming on the site and looking for the mythical silver bullet which doesn't exist and are unwilling to even grasp the full nature of your predicament and I find this to silly to be true as most people on benefits are totally reliant upon them and cannot afford such a loss, yet you seemingly can afford a subscription to the internet.

Photon wrote:I just logged in and for some reason, some of the written content on the site is in some other language...whuch I think is Russian...such as this for eg.... Рэдагаваць паведамленне   is there a way to alter the content back to english ?

Is anyone else experiencing the same thing ?

Thanks for your reply Assassin,

If what you say is correct and the only option...

then at least you have now managed to clarify it to me.

I persisted to keep asking as I was not sure if you may had considered any other options, such as IF you still considered why we have to attend such medicals... (As for many years prior we never had to do so)

I was not sure if maybe  say... that
You may have been opposed to having to take such medicals and had ways around being requested to do so.

some claiments do not think its right that they should have to take such medicals or to have to allow the DWP to have such information.... and believe that they should accept a claiments Own Doctors records.

or some of us may think its also a data protection issue.

These are things that I dont think you seem to consider...IMO  and the DWP now are getting away with too much.

or if something has happened to someone and the claiment does not want a certain thing going on their medical records...such as say one has some mental issues that they do not want to admitt to (that normaly at one time that they would get over with enough time), thats another reason why they dont want to be asked to take a medical.

From many things that I have read, it seems that the DWP assessments have got stricter and more and more people
are being told that they are fit to work, so that the DWP may only consider someone who is in an extreme situation.
Other wise if you can speak, they will say your fit to work.

You suggest initially that the medicals should be done by qualified Doctors, but later refer to an eg where you found
the assessors where not qualified and that was much of what some of my prior research had come across when I looked at other related forums and read what others who were given medicals had claimed.

assassin wrote:I will explain it simply:

If you were/are in receipt of benefits you enter a contract with someone called the DWP and these create "the parties" and both parties are bound by these contractual conditions often called "the obligations" and some of which are that you attend medical examinations at the behest of the DWP who use qualified doctors to undertake them.

If you were called to a medical examination and failed to attend it means YOU have breached the contract and the DWP have the right under breach of contract to stop your benefits under a sanction, at this point you should have acted and provided reasonable cause why you could not attend such a required medical examination. You may have been ill or in hospital yourself or receiving treatment for a condition which meant you could not travel to such a interview, or you may have been on Jury service or similar requiring your attendance and any of the above or more would constitute "reasonable cause" for not attending a DWP medical examination and you cannot be sanctioned for reasonable cause so why did you fail to attend and what is your reasonable cause.

In such circumstances the DWP would reschedule this appointment and contact you to see if this was not conflicting with anything else and this appointment would be by mutual consent and difficult to avoid without extremely mitigating circumstances and if you could not go to them then they would arrange for their appointed doctor to come to you and visit at your home to undertake this examination.

You had every opportunity to contact them and nform them you could not attend their appointment and allow them to reschedule this appointment at their appointed examination centre or make an appointment to visit you at home, you failed to undertake any of these actions.

They sanctioned you for breaching the contract and still you didn't contact them to offer reasonable excuse and allow them to reschedule or visit you at home and these do have time limitations on them and offer reasonable cause for not attending.

In essence you failed at every opportunity and failed to act in this matter so you literally dont have a leg to stand on yet you persist on coming on the site and looking for the mythical silver bullet which doesn't exist and are unwilling to even grasp the full nature of your predicament and I find this to silly to be true as most people on benefits are totally reliant upon them and cannot afford such a loss, yet you seemingly can afford a subscription to the internet.

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I particularly liked one I attended in Derby with someone who asked me to attend with them and as soon as she entered I asked the claimed medical member of staff what her qualifications were and she said psychologist with 30 years experience and further probing revealed she was a psychologists secretary so not medically qualified so we walked out and referred this straight to the lower tribunal.

They rang back and said could they hear the case now as they had a backlog and could put her case in with a large block heard by this individual and we agreed, they heard the case and in 3 minutes they dismissed 2000 claims heard by this individual as she wasn't even medically qualified and the company doing these assessments were also struck off.

It was probably done to stop you being so pig headed and to at least except the help or advice given FREELY, others on here HAVE given you some options/ideas/solutions for you to mull over but no, you are always coming back with yea but yea but yea but! If you know it all why come here in the first place????? I privately message two very knowledgeable guys on here and believe me they have forgotten more than i know! They know who they are and my deepest gratitude goes out to them for having the kindness to spare the precious time with someone they dont even know, so my advice would be read what is posted, go away think about it, do some research of your own, then if you can honestly come back and say or even think that the guys on here are here to give duff info you may as well give up and just go back to being deep state controlled! wrote:

Photon wrote:The last reply Assassin gave me was what I had normally expected..and was already aware of based upon prior research on other forums etc.

What I was NOT sure about however was whether there may have been someone who may have been aware of any other options... and initially upon joining the goodF forum,I was helped with another problem that I had with some information that I was not aware about...That I was very greatful for their help.

so I did wonder if someone on the forum may have known something different that may have offered me an alternative
that may have allowed me to challenge the DWP over my benefits problem.

Unfortunately that has not been the case in this situation, at least based upon Assassins views on it.

So what he has explained to me, was already more or less what I was aware of.

I am not aware I have suggested anyone has given me duff information.

There may just have been some earlier misunderstandings...that led to some other issues occurring in later posts.

I do NOT see myself as being Pig Headed as you suggest !

I just dont think you or some others understood some of the things that I was asking  !

assassin wrote:It is actually very simple, the DWP make it up as they go along and often ignore their own rules, charters, and the legislation they are supposed to adhere to and it is also true that many of them also abuse their positions and forget they are PUBLIC SERVANTS and we are the public and tell them what to do.
Problems arise when they go running back to the Government with tears in their eyes and trotting out their sob stories about how people don't comply and then more uneducated experts crop up and suggest new legislation and it comes down to sho sells the Government the best sob story.

Meanwhile, the money men are looking how to get on the taxpayer funded gravy train and rob everyone by getting paid for not fulfilling their contracted duties and then trying to sell their B/S to a guillable public who think everyone on benefits are all dole dossers and scroungers and their company are the good guys.

Look at this in detail, how many doctors do the DWP employ? actually none as they work privately for the DWP and yes I agree they get too much personnel information from an equally guillable public who just surrender it because someone they perceive as having power tells them to do it but it isn't just the DWP who do this. I was wrongly arrested and locked up and before they let me go I was called into a room where a woman was asking me personal questions and told I could go when I answred her questions so I refused and they didn't release me so I issued affidavits against her and an even parger one against the police and they both paid up but why? unlawful dtention and trying to obtain my intellectual property by threats and coercion. What do G4skins want my information for? because personal information is big money and gives the company a greater asset value.  

and you are still looking to play them in their system and you will lose. Until you take them out of their fraudulent system you will lose and once you take them on under the true law you will lose. wrote:

You had every opportunity to contact them and nform them you could not attend their appointment and allow them to reschedule this appointment at their appointed examination centre or make an appointment to visit you at home, you failed to undertake any of these actions.  They sanctioned you for breaching the contract and still you didn't contact them to offer reasonable excuse and allow them to reschedule or visit you at home and these do have time limitations on them and offer reasonable cause for not attending. In essence you failed at every opportunity and failed to act in this matter so you literally dont have a leg to stand on wrote:

daveiron wrote:Firstly, no other member has commented on russian or any other language,
so i would suggest the problem is at your end.

Secondly, others on here have offered help and suggestions which you seem
to just disregard and instead continue to post responses which in length
would rival copies of War and Peace.

Thirdly , I suggested 2 months ago that you send a DSAR ,have you done
that ? because it seems by your post you have not. Assassin has also given
help and suggestions ,which you also appear not to have acted upon.

Forthly, your post constantly refers to your belief that you must do everything
either by phone or on line. You have no obligation to do that or even own such
devices. Always do everything in writing ONLY.

Fithly, all i can suggest at this stage is to try and resubmit your claim ,and
this time maybe you will receive guidance along the way ,provided you cease
with the lenghty posts and keep to the point.
Remember you are in a servant / master relationship with these people, and
you are not the servant.  

daveiron wrote:So you will not do a DSAR because you dont want to give them your name ?
How can you even get this looked at again if you will not attempt to get
the relevant documentation.

Sorry ,i'm done.

daveiron wrote:Firstly, no other member has commented on russian or any other language,
so i would suggest the problem is at your end.

Secondly, others on here have offered help and suggestions which you seem
to just disregard and instead continue to post responses which in length
would rival copies of War and Peace.

Thirdly , I suggested 2 months ago that you send a DSAR ,have you done
that ? because it seems by your post you have not. Assassin has also given
help and suggestions ,which you also appear not to have acted upon.

Forthly, your post constantly refers to your belief that you must do everything
either by phone or on line. You have no obligation to do that or even own such
devices. Always do everything in writing ONLY.

Fithly, all i can suggest at this stage is to try and resubmit your claim ,and
this time maybe you will receive guidance along the way ,provided you cease
with the lenghty posts and keep to the point.
Remember you are in a servant / master relationship with these people, and
you are not the servant.  

Lopsum wrote:they were wasting THEIR time whilst amusing us

assassin wrote:Strangely I didn't give an opinion at all as I merelt presented the facts and nothing more and many others have done what I have and acheived the same results and his posts contradict themselves as if he claims, he was aware of it then why constantly persue the matter as there is no definative handbook with step by step instructions.

Ref from DaveIron
I would again refer you to a DSAR, .Without the info it should contain
you will not be able to proceed.