Ban on sale of domestic coal & wood

by Kestrel Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:48 pm

Yes all in the guise of pollution - more bullsh*t.

I think many here new this was on the cards so what next...how much longer are we to put up with this sh*t?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8026987/Ban-sale-wet-wood-house-coal-hits-2-5m-homes-Government-clamps-air-pollution.html

by **Lopsum** Sun Feb 23, 2020 5:56 pm

"wet wood" and "house coal" not as per title , these are specific fuels !

by Kestrel Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:52 pm

I know Lopsum but it is for domestic use & yet another attack on freedoms under a fraudulent green agenda of which will effect many rural communities (I know someone who uses wood for their entire house heating system) adding another attack on rural living which is all geared into forced settlement into the cities.

Look how the countryside has lost it's workforce, industry, amenities, public transport this 'ban' goes a lot deeper & I'm sure you're aware of that.

I'm becoming increasingly frustrated at the apathy of people what with the escalation of the global gulag.....hence my choice of words.

by **Lopsum** Sun Feb 23, 2020 10:10 pm

No, i know where your coming from , but this need more examination! The article is slightly confusing if not read properly .
The thing here is people buy wet wood and season it before use (i would imagin because burning wet wood is very inefficient) So banning sales on wet wood wont affect air polution much because although its bought "wet" it is probably burned "dry" , and it wont affect people who collect their own wood weather they then burn it wet or dry as its a "sales ban" not a ban on use so its all bollox which ever way. A pointles theft of rights and inconvenience to most .
house coal is filthy stuff , i tried one bag once in our stove, decided never again. The soot it makes is unbelievable. Many places already have a ban on use of this stuff under the smokeless residential zones rules. I suppose banning sales on this will affect users more because they cant go and collect their own or process it to make it less offensive. there is a point if it is harming others i suppose , but its been lumped in with the more ambiguous "wet wood".

by **assassin** Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:47 am

Interesting, so they are not banning garden fires, allotment fires, or banning industries which pollute much more that wood fires do; and what about those living off grid who only have wood to burn to heat their homes?

Wet wood emits a combination of steam which contains wood gas and I burn wet wood at times as I have built my own stove with afterburning technology which burns the wood and in the second burn stage burns the wood gas for more heat and lower emissions then dry wood so why not introduce afterburning technology stoves which are even cleaner.

God forbid you live on a narrow boat.

It is all part of the agenda to force people onto gas, then from gas onto the inefficient electrical heating and look at the hype around that, the most expensive form of heating.

by flyingfish Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:39 am

I've been following this one since the ideas first surfaced a year or so ago. I probably won't surprise many on here that the firewood part of this proposal was developed after heavy campaigning by two outfits with a commercial interest. One of the largest producers and distributors of kiln dried firewood, based in the West country. And an importer of Latvian kiln dried firewood. Both supply a high quality product (I've actually had sample bags from both) but they come at a high price and involve lots of energy in drying and shipping, packing material etc. I believe they were campaigning for 17.5% rather than 20%, which would be impractical except with kiln drying.

The consultation was a bit of a joke particularly the questions for consumers. It seemed to have been written on the basis that people deliberately choose to buy something called "wet wood". However I'm glad to see the threshold for let's call it "unseasoned" wood is down to two cu.m, rather than five as they started out.

However having said all that, the firewood industry has to some extent brought this on themselves. I've seen pretty shocking stuff offered in bags at petrol stations etc. Of course that could have been addressed under existing consumer protection on the basis that anything sold as "firewood" should self evidently be ready to use. But what it comes down to is that they're right in some respects, but as usual the approach is heavy handed and ill thought out.

by **assassin** Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:13 am

It would be interesting trying to see them enforce it, seasoned wood burns well and once seasoned and kept dry means its moisture content can be accurately measured, leave it out in the rain and even though it is dried and seasoned timber means no meter will read it as seasoned timber with surface water on it.

by flyingfish Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:40 am

The campaigning organisations were proposing a compulsory registration and product labelling scheme. Obviously that's another money spinner and one of the reasons that smaller producers in particular think they'll be hit.

To my mind this could have been perfectly well managed by some sort of decision that anything sold as firewood must be ready to burn unless specifically labelled otherwise. With the general acceptance of that 20% threshold I don't see that any further definitions would be needed.

by **assassin** Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:27 am

It wouldn't, but people like myself who own their own woods and have several friends who also own their own woods, means I have ready access to wood naturally falling, dead trees, and the resulting fallout from recent storms means plentiful supplies for myself and neighbours and it is these people they are trying to hit.

by **Lopsum** Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:10 am

assassin wrote: it is these people they are trying to hit.

eventually yes but not with a sales ban , you will be fine for next couple of years anyway. the people hit first will be urban town/city folk who have woodburning stoves and buy wet logs of folks like you who can supply it. You wont be able to supply it for sale (if you did or not) . So it will affect anyone who cant supply themselfs with wet wood first . It forces those folk to buy seasoned wood from the DIY store (although some can still supply seasoned wood if they have space too), monopolising a few companys to supply most wood fuel as FlyingFish says.

by flyingfish Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:28 am

assassin wrote:It wouldn't, but people like myself who own their own woods and have several friends who also own their own woods, means I have ready access to wood naturally falling, dead trees, and the resulting fallout from recent storms means plentiful supplies for myself and neighbours and it is these people they are trying to hit.

Depends on who you mean by "they". The original government issue isn't with schemes that you describe, where everyone will be burning properly seasoned wood in any case. If by "they" you mean the trade association then informal suppliers and even larger suppliers outside their scheme are exactly who they are trying to hit.

So as it's currently proposed it would affect you, but only if you are selling wood for money. I can't see any suggestion that it would cover any form of bartering or other exchange.

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/air-quality-using-cleaner-fuels-for-domestic-burning

by **assassin** Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:02 am

The intention is very simple, they always hit the softest target and that is the end user, they will issue their uncivil enforeskin officers with moisture meters and they will hit any user emitting smoke and demand they let them see their wood pile with the authority of a hi viz jacket. Suddenly the sheeple will comply and they will be sending out claims to these people, and yes I have been advised this is the case locally.

Forcing companies to register is merely another facet to their money making (extortion) schemes and remember the octopus theory, they use multiple tentacles to make as much money from as many sources as possible.

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