Ovo bank giro?

by Wynston.adebiyi@gmail.com Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:39 pm

Hello. I stumbled on this group whilst conducting a search for "joint giro slip" and difference between that and a bgc.

I am a member if a Facebook site called "debtless " an informative site that has opened my eyes.

I have for 18 months been fighting for Ovo to send me a bgc. I have now had said bgc sent to me, only to be told that perhaps these particular slips can't be used fir payment.

I was hoping for some advice please .

Tia.

by **LionsShare** Fri Mar 22, 2024 9:18 am

hello,

please could you show a redacted version of your slip to show what you have had. It could be the case you have been sent the wrong instrument.

1 type is to be accompanied with cash or cheque, the other you should be able to discharge the charge.

I am surprised if you have had from OVO, all I have come across with OVO don't get such slips.

To give a better idea please follow:;

https://goodf.forumotion.com/t5648-most-complete-bank-giro-credit
https://goodf.forumotion.com/t4217-what-is-a-bank-giro-credit

there are other threads in the utils section off the home page too.

LS

by Wynston.adebiyi@gmail.com Fri Mar 22, 2024 4:11 pm

by Wynston.adebiyi@gmail.com Fri Mar 22, 2024 4:12 pm

Thanks lionshare.

by **LionsShare** Fri Mar 22, 2024 4:54 pm

This is my take:

it looks like what you have is the correct instrument to discharge because: there is a credit account & a bar code (used to discharge through post office). However there are bits missing please see the 1st post in this thread:

https://goodf.forumotion.com/t5592-bank-giro-credit#37860

as you can see compare the 2 images (2nd & 3rd) in the 1st post in the above thread there are subtle differences. the 3rd image has no barcode, also space for a signature where as the 3rd states 'paid in by'. Signature is not asked for a name to accompany it.

You should IMO be correct to add your own narrative & send back BUT there is too much missing to state exactly if it is a BGC with added value (no TransCash Logo). If you require further help get in touch. This is 1 of those its sort of correct but there again may be not?

Just as a note of caution, it all gets ignored followed by here's a bill pay it or else, followed by here's another bill with the previous added, pay it or else, followed by we are going to court for a warrant of entry followed by the court paperwork (it was in my case)

LS

by **LionsShare** Fri Mar 22, 2024 5:08 pm

you could write or better phone (in this case) & ask OVO has what's been sent, is it for 'non commercial' ie domestic, if they say yes OK endorse & away you go if not then keep pressing until they give the correct instrument

by **LionsShare** Fri Mar 22, 2024 5:52 pm

also sometimes on bgc the wording: Account to be Credited on a non joint giro as oppose to Credit Account on yours that's another reason why I think its OK to go ahead. But as stated becareful that's all.

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by Wynston.adebiyi@gmail.com Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:05 pm

I'm really grateful lionshare. This is awesome feedback. If they do confirm that it is in fact the right document; do I simply just complete it and return or do I accompany it with a dsar as per debtless advice?

Pls note that I'm more than prepared to pay to receive advice regarding way forward. Tia.

by **LionsShare** Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:14 pm

with dsar it depends on what debtless has stated?

if you look in the utils section off the front page there is an example front notice you could send, try the thread 'down memory lane' I think its in there if not get back to me & will send you something. Its now Friday so have all weekend.

I would phone 1st & get them to confirm is the document for 'non commercial'? Go from there. If you endorse there is specific wording that must go on the document before its sent back.

LS

by **LionsShare** Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:16 pm

what's really needed is change of status - get away from Mr, Mrs etc

by **LionsShare** Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:21 pm

Wynston.adebiyi@gmail.com wrote:Pls note that I'm more than prepared to pay to receive advice regarding way forward. Tia.

Everything I do is FREE not looking in anyway to profit.

by **assassin** Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:47 pm

Ask yourself about the "title" and then put it into a lawful context as "deed of title" means LAWFUL ownership and this is what it is about, using both the legal and lawful juristictions to confuse you so I will explain.

You give a title as they hold DEED OF TITLE or the deed to that title, by giving a title you acquiesce and admit you are the title to which they own the deed and under law of LAWFUL you have admitted to deed of title and they have you as you have unknowingly admitted you are owned.

by Wynston.adebiyi@gmail.com Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:58 pm

Absolute Godsend Lionshare. I'll phone right away to confirm non commercial aspect.

by **LionsShare** Fri Mar 22, 2024 7:01 pm

assassin wrote:Ask yourself about the "title" and then put it into a lawful context as "deed of title" means LAWFUL ownership and this is what it is about, using both the legal and lawful juristictions to confuse you so I will explain.

You give a title as they hold DEED OF TITLE or the deed to that title, by giving a title you acquiesce and admit you are the title to which they own the deed and under law of LAWFUL you have admitted to deed of title and they have you as you have unknowingly admitted you are owned.

Yes Assassin but its also proving the title (trust) too. Its also been muted here on goodf that there is a concealed trust & proving it is the problem?

by **LionsShare** Fri Mar 22, 2024 7:05 pm

what assassin means is you have un-whittingly become Trustee (liable) to a trust, we all have at 1 time or another. Same for c'tax its all a DEMAND & a 'deemed' contract as far as they are.....

https://goodf.forumotion.com/t5800-fiduciary-trusts-agreement

by Wynston.adebiyi@gmail.com Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:28 am

Hi LS. Hope your weekend went well.. contacted Ovo who gave confirmed Bgc is non commercial/ domestic use. Look forward to hearing from you.

by **LionsShare** Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:36 am

OK you're not really going to like what follows because you have alot of reading to do. Start with this, just get ideas for now & come back with what you've learnt. Explain in your own words quite simple what you've learnt, & we'll go from there.

https://goodf.forumotion.com/t6055-more-on-tear-off-slips-trusts

this will give you the very basics of what you need. Its simple & straight forward, so even with the reading to be done don't worry.
https://goodf.forumotion.com/t3622-down-memory-lane?highlight=down+memory+lane

Remember as stated it all gets ignored anyway.

LS

by Wynston.adebiyi@gmail.com Mon Mar 25, 2024 11:05 am

No problem. Get back to you shortly.

by Wynston.adebiyi@gmail.com Mon Mar 25, 2024 11:07 am

Just thinking out aloud, after it all got ignored, we're you able to pay with just the bgc each month?

by **LionsShare** Mon Mar 25, 2024 11:49 am

what you must remember this is about control of everyone. some who started doing this way back when.... got limited success in the form of a stalemate not through an actual win.

This is about remaining in honor (if such a thing can actually be acheived). Again remember we are all dealing with a complete bent corrupt system.

If you want to persue this progam then by all means do it, at least its 1 more that's standing up for what's right morally & (I would say based on my research) legally correct.

What is likely to happen is the same as I experienced after proving the Trust (remember several Trusts are at play) & its all free.

If you require help then please comment to that effect.

LS

by **LionsShare** Mon Mar 25, 2024 12:24 pm

Also as you have asked & got the 'OVO' slip you will now be expected to follow through with it doing something.

You have 2 choices:

1. endorse/A4V with covering Notice

2. pay with extra cash/cheque

the choice is yours & yours alone. its the same for us all.

by Wynston.adebiyi@gmail.com Mon Mar 25, 2024 12:46 pm

Thanks LS. I want to familiarise myself first with the content you advised I read. I must say it blows my mind that if utilities can be paid using a bgc then why is this common knowledge?

I like to understand things first though so will read through as advised.
Pls clarify A4V?

by **LionsShare** Mon Mar 25, 2024 1:01 pm

Accepted for Value abbreviation AFV, saying A4V rolls off the tongue easier.

whether you endorse or A4V its essentially the same thing except the wording is different. When you get your head around it, its very easy.

A4V starts: Accepted For value....

endorsement starts: To [uility co name]....

by Wynston.adebiyi@gmail.com Mon Mar 25, 2024 1:10 pm

Thanks LS. I'll get on with the reading right away.

by Wynston.adebiyi@gmail.com Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:44 pm

Hi LS.

Hope you're well.

I've read through the links as adviser

Each time a bill is issued, a trust is created. Three are 3 components to the creation of said trusts; settlor, drawee and the beneficiary.

The utility company retains its position as both settlor and beneficiary.

Quite complicated from what I read...

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