police summons

by freeland Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:53 am

hi everyone,last april of 2022 i recieved a NIP for an allegded 40mph in a 30mph,i sent all their letters back and never picked up their signed for attempts either,fast forward to last week 23/2/2023 the poooolice where at my door with im guessing trying to serve a summons on me but i never answererd the door,if they turn up while im tending to my garden ect can i refuse to take their fraudlent paperwork and reject it as its for the person and not the living man,could i say there is no dead entitys known here,many thanks in advance.

by **assassin** Mon Feb 27, 2023 3:13 am

You have the right to remain silent so remain silent and they will persist in trying to get your name and a lawful pecedent clearly states you have no obligation to help the po-lice so don't, what you will have to watch is your car as they will put a marker on it and you will be stopped at some time and if driving a vehicle you do have to identify and this has powers of arrest so they will arrest you.If your vehicle is registered they have access to the keeper details and the V5 information as well as the MOT and insurance data and it it is in your name and the insurance is in your name they will try to use this.

Remember they have a time limit to serve paperwork and once that time is up it becomes fraud.

by freeland Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:53 am

Hello assassin, thanks for you reply much appreciated,what is the time limit for the poolice to serve a summons,thanks

by **daveiron** Mon Feb 27, 2023 8:58 am

Should they turn up again and you find you are being pressured to speak,
just repeat 'Rice v Connolly 1966' to every question.

by freeland Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:47 pm

Hello dave thank you for your reply very much appreciated,dave could you explain a little of what rice v connely 1966 is please and how to apply it as i dont know what is and the poolice wont have a clue ither,many thanks dave..ps is it true the cops only have to touch me with the summons and it is classed as served on me.

by **daveiron** Mon Feb 27, 2023 1:44 pm

Rice v Connolly 1966 is case law ,just do a quick search.
"Rice v Connolly: 1966 No Legal Duty to Assist a Constable At common law there is no legal duty to provide the police with information or otherwise to assist them with their inquiries."

If they cant ID you they cannot touch you with a summons

by freeland Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:28 pm

Hello dave,dave thats fantastic thank you very much for explainging the case law i will look it up..

by **assassin** Tue Feb 28, 2023 3:09 am

Po-lice dont like any law especially case law but they will try to ignore it as their ego wont let them stop so video any encounter and any good claims solicitor will win compensation for you.
#
As Corporal Jones said "they dont like it up em".

by **assassin** Tue Feb 28, 2023 3:37 am

freeland wrote:Hello assassin, thanks for you reply much appreciated,what is the time limit for the poolice to serve a summons,thanks

From memory it is 14 days to issue the ticket with a 3 day grace period which always works to the po-lices advantage and up to 6 months to issue the summons, but this is from memory so check up.

by freeland Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:48 am

Ok guys the cops are visiting my home on a daily basis now even leaving a calling card to contact them to try and serv this summons on me for alleged speeding,the thing is they are realy battering the door very vilolently i thought they where breaking in at one point its realy bad can the poolice break my door down to serve this summons on me..many thanks..

by **assassin** Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:39 am

Did you check the time limit? if as I think it is 6 months then they will try to get you to accept it even though it is out of time, it may be a year which is why they are persistent and trying to get it in on time.

by flyingfish Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:22 am

So there are a number of time limits potentially in play here. The alleged offence of speeding requires a NIP that must be served on the Registered Keeper within 14 days, unless the driver was warned at the time. (a few other exclusions)

The next time limit would be time to respond to the s.172 request for drivers details. This is 28 days where the day you receive the request is day one. Taking those together if there's no reply to the s.172 request, then there is a second alleged offence dated something like 5 weeks or more after the speeding.

Both allegations are summary only so proceedings have to be commenced within six months of offence date. (Except Scotland where the limit was changed to 12 months, I'm not sure if that change was reverted)

Note that the summons or SJPN may follow some time after proceedings are commenced, so even if you receive if after that 6 month limit, it may still be in time.

by flyingfish Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:24 am

By the way the summons doesnt have to be hand delivered, so that's not why the cops are calling. For road traffic matters I'm only aware of this happening routinely in Scotland when the s.172 was returned unsigned..

by freeland Mon Mar 06, 2023 12:31 pm

Afternoon guys. the date of the alleged offence was the 11/4/22 and i recived the NIP on the 13/4/22 within the 14 days then right through to may i kept getting letters and also signed for letters which all got returned to sender,then on the 15/10/22 i recived
a summons which was dated the 7/10/22 and read i was being charged with speeding 40mph in a 30mph and failure to say who the driver was at that time,the court date was the 23/11/22 and was stated i couldent bring any witnesses and no evidence would be given from the court and i never atteneded the court on the day WHAT A TOTAL FRAUDULENT SCAM,then on the 23/2/23 the cops called with another summons/then the 3/3/23 and then 4/3/23,in northern ireland the cops attempt serving motering offences summons to the home address of the victoms of fraud so i think proceedings where commenced within six months.

by flyingfish Mon Mar 06, 2023 6:23 pm

freeland wrote: ...in northern ireland the cops attempt serving motering offences summons.

I didn't know that, thanks. Might be worth checking your licence online, see if any points have been added from conviction in your absence.

by flyingfish Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:28 pm

freeland wrote:... a summons which was dated the 7/10/22 and read i was being charged with speeding 40mph in a 30mph and failure to say who the driver was at that time ..

That's normal practice, without your response they don't know who was driving unless there is some other evidence, so the underlying speeding can't go anywhere. For the s.172 failure to provide driver details they have their evidence that the request was sent, but no reply received. People end up in this situation by mistake, for example by not updating the address on the V5C, and in that case the mainstream advice is to attend court and offer a guilty plea for speeding (3 points) if the s.172 (6 points) is dropped. In your case it is possible you were convicted of the s.172 in your absence, and the speeding dropped.

If I understand correctly the more recent contact (attempted contact) by the police on 23/2/23, 3/3/23 and 4/3/23, may refer to a different allegation. Do you have any information about that?

by freeland Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:01 am

Hello flyingfish thanks for your replys,the recent attempts by the cops to contact me is defentley to try to serve a summons on me and not a different allegation, if it is a different allegation i have absloutley no knolage of what it could be i have done nothing wrong im pretty sure its the speeding nonsence i know a few other people that got served a summons by the cops for ignoreing the first summons and they are challenging it in the courts,to my knowlage its the road safty partnership g4s and the police service of northern ireland are all in bed together, its the cops part to play is to make the complaint to what is a civil matter because there is no victom or harm loss or injury caused to get the ball rolling its a nice little money spinner and nothing to do with safty or speeding Evil or Very Mad

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by flyingfish Tue Mar 07, 2023 4:17 pm

Obviously you're not going to speak to the cops, but to be honest I can't believe it's all about that summons. It would be too easy if thou could stop a case just by not answering the door. In England, Wales Scotland if you don't turn up they hear the case in your absence.

Did you check your licence online to make sure nothing was done in November.

by freeland Wed Mar 08, 2023 1:34 pm

Hello flyingfish thanks for you reply,if the cops turn up when im out in the garden ect im not getting into joinder with them about whatever it is they want and qote them rice v connley case law (thanks daveiron) that im not oblibed to speek to them or assist them or identifying my self,no i cant stop the case by not answering the door but im going to make them work for their supper,when a postal summons arrives through anyones letter box with in the six month time limit and they dont turn up for the scam court date the court then gets the cops to attempt hand delivery of the said summons and thats whats happening it cant be any thing else i havent done anything wrong or caused harm loss or injury to any of my fellow men and woman that would have the filthy cops knocking my door harrassing me and breaching my peace ,yes checked my licence and there is nothing attached to it thankfully thanks for prompting me to check it.

by **LionsShare** Wed Mar 08, 2023 5:57 pm

thanks to all for input, I like what I see

by freeland Sat May 27, 2023 1:45 am

Hello all, just a little up date the cops have been trying to serve a summons on me from febuary 2023 for an alleged speeding offence from the 11/4/22 of 40mph in a 30mph,they have been calling every month beating the front door windows shouting through the letter box police open the door we have something for you lol,i have avoided them untill today 26/5/23 when they returned and shuved a summons of loose papers through my letter box and scattered all over the floor in no particular order,they never knocked the door or spoke to me or identified me and just drove of again,i think they are hopeing on me not turning up at the court as they have been unable to get me and get a default judgment against me and make a load of money,surley they have to identifie who they are serving the summons on they are just assuming im the PERSON they are looking for at that address but i could be working abroad or anything..

by **assassin** Sat May 27, 2023 4:33 am

They are assuming and trying to get you into joinder by action, they will have filmed delivery on their body cams so return them.

by flyingfish Sat May 27, 2023 2:35 pm

I must say I don't understand why they don't just convict in your absence like they do in the rest of the UK. However since they don't, time is on your side here, the longer this drags on the less time any points will stay on your licence, since for speeding they date from the offence rather than date of conviction.

by freeland Sun May 28, 2023 3:09 am

Hello assassian,thanks very much for you reply,do you mean i need to return the summons to the cops or to the courts,when i read through the pile of papers there is no complaint from the cops and the camera operator witness statment is not signed surley this summons is void and fraud..

by freeland Sun May 28, 2023 3:19 am

Hello flyingfish thanks for your reply, my licence is clean and has no points,like assassian says they are trying to get me into joinder to be the leagal fiction as they have been unable to get me.

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