Liability Order in Respect of Council Tax....

From this day forth no body in this realm shall have to kiss any ring!

Hi Waffle

i'm in! Let's go plunder the 'poor rolls' !

Cheers!

Ive sent an email both to the archbishop of westminster and to the church of England, surely one of them can clarify for us whats going on!

Hi Waffle

...and if they reply you'll know they've seen your declaration!

Cheers!

Hi Waffle

Have you read the TL;DR version of Genesis?

God: Alright you two, don"t do the one thing. Other than that - have fun!

Adam and Eve: Okay.

Satan: You should do the thing....

Adam and Eve: Okay.

God: What happened?!!

Adam and Eve: We did the thing.

God: Guys......



Cheers!

It appears that Genesis is the key foundational "EVENT" that establishes the law, I am not sure iamani what you mean by TL DR version ?

Hi Candor

i rather suspect you are right about that.

Oh, and TL;DR is an abbreviation for 'Too Long;Didn't Read'.....

Cheers!

Hi all

Just a few thoughts that came to me while thinking.....

Dwelling - think 'human body', yours is being used for 'other than living purposes only'.

Individual - indivisible duo = body (land!) + mind/spirit

Resident - is your body identified as 'res'.

Who owns your home/car/children etc? - your estate.

Human = body = res = trust corpus = public = state = RES PUBLICA !

i would suggest perhaps reading this entire thread again with this info in mind, i guarantee an 'aha' moment.....

Cheers!

ps - Bump!

Greetings

This thread really is an education for the historical background of the council tax.

Thanks to some excellent contributions from FM, Candor, Waffle and others it is also a clue how to challenge it.

Here are some more up-to-date definitions of words and terms we were having difficulty with, now using 'HOUSE-NAME' instead of 'ESTATE'/SURNAME.



Hereditament - this refers to a human male 'person' and everything he has control over.

Heredit = Ancestral lineage (aka 'HOUSE-NAME') assets.

Ament = A-ment = no mind = idiot

Hereditament = HOUSE-NAME property/chattels of an idiot. Basically a human male and everything he controls including his wife and children. (a 'Mr')

Dwelling = unmarried female 'person' (a 'miss').

Domestic = HOUSE-hold servant, married female person (a 'Mrs'). (Possibly a full-time mother)

Non-domestic = a 'person' not subject/liable to a HOUSE-NAME, eg a student, a 'private' person, a living soul (man), a Christian.

Residential = 'res'-identity = HOUSE-NAME

Business = Family = HOUSE(of slaves)NAME

Rates = Raids

......Remember this? --

"Property is Domestic if ....... it is used wholly for the purposes of living accommodation"

Unless i'm very much mistaken that phrase is referring to a

HOUSE-wife ! (Possibly a full-time mother.)


i think someone is bound to work it out now......

Cheers!

Hi LionsShare

Page 3 of this thread - Executor letter


Cheers!

are you not a citizen? if so pay up as you have duties and responsibilities to the "good" ship citizen.

Hi all....another great post and head !!
Need to read it at least one more time but has anyone had any results with (page 3) and veronica / executor letter?
and with (page 3) Pitano1?
this is the OFFER i sent.
if you need to write to mr.chris.xxx at some future date
you will need to use the following address.

chris.
xx road
bla...bla
near..`blablax19`
ANY..letters addressed to a crown title...WILL be returned
ADDRESSEE NOT RECOGNIZED

have a mate with a liability order from mags and bailiff has been round so trying to find some way of stopping the parasites
cheers

Those definitions are fascinating

Hi.I.T.M
`
have a mate with a liability order from mags and bailiff has been round so trying to find some way of stopping the parasites
cheers.`
non-payment of council tax=CIVIL offence.
check out baillif info./removing rights of entry.

the below is toxic...to the matrix.

KNOWLEDGE..and..this.
Chris.
xx road
bla...bla
near..`blablax19`
ANY..letters addressed to a crown title...WILL be returned
ADDRESSEE NOT RECOGNIZED

removes the wo/man from the legal/evil spells

[not recomended]in this case. Unless you or your friend are willing to do your due diligence.
And loads`a typing.
best wishes.
pitano1

Hi pitano1,
Thanks for advice and wishes mate.

Doesn't seem to be much about the mags on here...except this thread, which is top draw, but are we still all thinking about what card game is being played then trying to find a good hand? Applied to...the legal system...in entirety.
Their system is so f#*@in twisted and corrupt, and there is so much learned wisdom on here, and here and there on the net. Seems to me, Them, are collective, established (over centuries) and therefore organised. Us, are... clawing at this and that with ideas, suggestions and results here and there. So Us have to work through, gather our dudil, organise the card hand then....bottle it or play them!

Them and their ways seem to be well documented by some of Us. And most of Us are, or have all been in the same boat... or water in our individual boats, paddling in the best direction that feels right at the time! So, as lots of Us now know about Them and the way their system is and Us, well we have the internet (save any puns with boats/water) and can do...stuff...fast...how do we turn in the same direction with the Us collective knowledge and wisdom and become an organised...pool of wisdom. (We don't want any animal farm, quite the opposite. Magna Carta and common law is all. Under God, man/woman, barons,/sovereign, sovereign subjects.... upholding "fair" justice for the man/woman who were put here by God!)
Because, Them seem to be ramping up their brainwashing and methods of control and as some of us know...Them (Them that are controlling almost everything) do not give a shit about Us...Them at the top seem to have an agenda...to break us...I'll heath, debt slavery, weather and crop manipulation...where's this path going, population decrease! Well, who's pulling the strings in all this? Or should i say, who owns...the banks, fuel, pharmaceuticals, controlling governments, etc....?

Back to Kublai khan...how do Us stand United?
Hopefully food for thought, and only my opinions.

Is there is a tool (Veronica Chapman's (and the yt link) makes lots of sense...if that's fact what can Them do, as long as Us know inside and out what it means to be the executor of our estate) that will work?
And, why should it matter at what stage of "legal" proceedings the tool is used?

Hi I.T.M
I shall try and answer your questions.
1]
magistrates court=money [usually the defendants]
[THE BAR]a criminal organization dating back to the knights templers
they like to refer to themselves as courts of administration.=fraud

2]The higher courts.?
Even when a case is a proven fraud...ie mortgages
will always..always judge in favor of..THE PUBLIC INTEREST=FRAUD

THE PUBLIC INTEREST=ENERGY.=the trustee
To sum up in as few words as possible.
A QUASI CRIMINAL ORGANISATION.
Who do not follow there own rules.
some liken a courtroom as a game but,one must
play by the rules in a game..umm.?

ie.you beat them in court..THEY judge you in absentia.

So in my opinion [don`t get court]
DEAL WITH THE MATTER before the second threatogram.

2nd paragraph.
YES..they want us er..thinned out considerably.

can we beat them en masse.?=no

However, the cracks are in their B.S notices.
which can be decoded by the individual.

see mail fraud.
maritime law.
the law of commerce.

short synopsis the system has been hijacked
cannot be fixed until common sense/full commercial
liability is restored.[proper law]
WELCOME...to the wild west.
best wishes.
pitano1

Hi pitano1,
thank you...it is all very SHOCKING!

the bottom line seems to be (if the judgement is passed and the defendant is "guilty"/bailiffs knock) there is nothing we can do... And have to pay up?
So, what is the outcome likely to be if a bailiff turns up, after a reasonable conversation it is determined that the "defendant" cannot pay and has no "goods" to pay the "fine"?

At what point in "their" system will a defendant lose his/her ability to claim his inalienable rights?
cheers

1] there is no judgment in an administrative court they deal with PERSONS.
the MAGI normally rely on the clerk of the court for advice.

the MAGI rely on a points book for costing/thievery[sentencing]

PERSONshave duties benefits,and privileges...which can be
removed.=what people think of as THEIR name is actually a trust
which can be administered by CONSENT.
                     LEGAL
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
                       COMMON LAW
Or the laws of the universe as,some describe them are not given by some psycho gang in wastemonster.

they form part of our dominiom..ie.we are born under them.
they cannot be removed by any entity without consent.
As in VOTING=I`M criminally minded as well,and
i don`t mind being shafted.

In a nutshell....under the common law.[common sense] unless you have committed a crime, any other matter falls into
the catogary consent/contract.

ie..PRIVATE bayliffs need permission to enter.
best wishes
pitano1

Hi all,

Seems there have been many omissions to The Magistrate Court Act 1980 on 4th Feb 2019 https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1980/43/contents but it could be worse now that there are so many Amendments linking here there and everywhere!
What do you guys make of it?

The legislation ukpga – i assume is UK Public General Acts?
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/search
i searched for liability order in that section and also for “liability order” in All legislation – nothing obvious came up. So, what is a liability order?

How to deal with the liability order? Seems first they have to prove what one is, then how they can grant one.

Is it worth all the effort trying to “defend” or go for:

1. As per the Veronica letter on page 3 of this post.

Occupant Executor Office

  I am here in my proper capacity as the Occupant of the Executor Office of the ALL CAPS NAME VERONICA CHAPMAN Estate.

  I demand your written authority to administrate the ALL CAPS NAME VERONICA CHAPMAN Estate.

  What is the one document you have in your possession that gives you the Authority or jurisdiction to administrate the Occupant Executor's Estate?

  As I am the one occupying the Executor Office of the ALL CAPS NAME VERONICA CHAPMAN Estate, I must warn you that if you refuse to stand down, I will, in furtherance of my fiduciary duties, forthwith file a complaint with the Attorney General for tampering with the ALL CAPS NAME VERONICA CHAPMAN Estate.

  The Executor Office of the ALL CAPS NAME VERONICA CHAPMAN Estate being the highest office represented here today, I demand that this case be immediately dismissed with prejudice and that all damages owing to the ALL CAPS NAME VERONICA CHAPMAN Estate are paid forthwith.

  As the Occupant of the Executor Office of the ALL CAPS NAME VERONICA CHAPMAN Estate, I am directing you to dismiss this case and award damages to the ALL CAPS NAME VERONICA CHAPMAN Estate as appropriate.

  SIGNED BY:

  THE OCCUPANT EXECUTOR OFFICE
   

  Veronica of the Chapman family

  DATE:

Or:

2. In the hope of getting them running scared – a suggested letter is below these...bits of legislation

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1980/43/section/59#commentary-key-07f7307ff7bd736d57a575e978467132
[F159 Orders for periodical payment: means of payment.
(1)In any case where a magistrates’ court orders money to be paid periodically by one person (in this section referred to as “the debtor”) to another (in this section referred to as “the creditor”), F2... the court shall at the same time exercise one of its powers under paragraphs (a) and (b) of [F3subsection (3) below] .

Mentioning “person”.
i have seen this:
Having checked the relevant legislation I find no obligation to provide a 'surname', not even a requirement to provide a 'full name'. If you can show me the legislation on a signed letter that says a man or woman must: a, fill out the NIP; b, write in black ink and c, provide a surname then I will comply to your demands.
Here: https://goodf.forumotion.com/t2952p25-nip-speeding-with-photo-evidence
And no reply has come forth.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1980/43/section/60
[F160 Revocation, variation, etc. of orders for periodical payment.
(1)Where a magistrates’ court has made an order for money to be paid periodically by one person to another, the court may, by order on complaint, revoke, revive or vary the order.
(2)The power under subsection (1) above to vary an order shall include power to suspend the operation of any provision of the order temporarily and to revive the operation of any provision so suspended.
F2(3). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
F2(4). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
F2(5). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
F2(6). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
F2(7). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
F2(. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
F2(9). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
F2(10). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
F2(10A). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
F2(10B). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
(11)For the purposes of this section—
(a)“creditor” and “debtor” have the same meaning as they have in section 59 above; F3...
F3(b). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .]

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1980/43/section/61
61 Periodical payments payable by one person under more than one order.
(1)[F1Rules of court may] make provision—
(a)for enabling a person to make one complaint for the recovery of payments required to be made to him by another person under more than one periodical payments order; and
(b)for apportioning between two or more periodical payments orders, in such manner as may be prescribed by the rules, any sum paid to [F2the designated officer for a magistrates' court] on any date by the person liable to make payments under the orders which is less than the total sum required to be paid on that date to [F3that designated officer] by that person in respect of those orders (being orders one of which requires payments to be made for the benefit of a child to the person with whom the child has his home and one or more of which requires payments to be made to that person either for his own benefit or for the benefit of another child who has his home with him) [F4and sums paid into court in pursuance of orders under section 35 of the Powers of Criminal Courts Act 1973 (compensation orders)].
(2)In this section—
“child” means a person who has not attained the age of 18;
“periodical payments order” means an order made by a magistrates’ court F5... which requires the making of periodical payments,
and any payments required under a periodical payments order to be made to a child shall for the purposes of subsection (1) above be treated as if they were required to be made to the person with whom the child has his home.

“Periodical payments order” no liability order.



So, what is a liability order? How can it be enforced?
If a liability order is received what do we need to know/require?


Suggested letter....any help is greatly welcome

To head of Birmingham mags (anyone know who this is? Would it be on companies house or D&B? - CEO?)

1. I require you tell me in legislation:
a, What a Liability Order is.
b, Where a man or woman is subject to an order to pay money.

3. I require:
a, A copy of the sworn statement by the (Authorised Assistant to the) Justices' Clerk.
b, Proof of the debt, evidence that the claimant has paid out funds.
c, Accounts showing all payments hitherto made by the claimant.

4. I require that the Clerk who issued the summons provides me with their documentation to show they scrutinised the sworn statement provided by an employee of the claimant, in accordance with Justice Clerks Rules 2005 (S.I.2005 No.545).

5. I require that you cease further actions from any bailiff forthwith.

How best to sign off?...as:
xxxx of the family xxxx
date: 00/00/00


These are original questions asked, the reply from the court Case Preparation was "Please advise Mr XXXXXXX to seek independent legal advice as to how to appeal the decision made by the magistrates’ court. There are no grounds to warrant the matter being re-listed back in the magistrates’ court."

I respectfully request to appeal the Liability Order and have the following points/requests if you can please oblige or advise where you can't:

1. I have not seen the liability order, only two letters from claimant claiming a Liability Order has been granted along with what appear to be photocopies of said Liability Order and a page offering financial advice on how to make payments. nb...offering financial advise is illegal I believe

2. I have no legal proof that there is a debt owed. There are discrepancies on the amounts that are allegedly being claimed. I wish to request:
a, A copy of the sworn statement by the (Authorised Assistant to the) Justices' Clerk.
b, Proof of the debt, evidence that the claimant has paid out funds.
c, Accounts showing all payments hitherto made by the claimant.

3. That the Clerk who issued the summons provides me with their documentation to show they scrutinised the sworn statement provided by an employee of the claimant, in accordance with Justice Clerks Rules 2005 (S.I.2005 No.545).

4. As a matter of urgency, a letter dated 22nd Jan 2019 was posted through the door, from an enforcement agent: Andy Carlton of marston holdings. He states he will be back within 10 days if he is not contacted to remove goods. Would you advise him that you have received this email? Please confirm if you will do this. His number is 07946 501538. Their reference # XXXXXXXXXX.

5. I contacted the court before the hearing (please see email below) and would like to ask why the adjournment was not granted?

cheers


– Magistrates Courts have become statute courts… mostly ignorant of and thus ignoring our common law rights. We must enter these courts and claim back our common law rights and push back the imposition of over-zealous regulations. We do this by claiming common law jurisdiction in these courts. Through this process we claw back our power from the government. Governments use the court system to enforce its control.

– Magistrates and judges make rulings on their interpretation of statutes and laws – their decisions are not always fair. Juries give verdicts on the basis of their interpretation of justice and are mostly fair.

– Magistrates are now trained to do the bidding of the legal adviser in court. It is questionable that they have any real value in the absence of autonomy and with limited discretion. Magistrate’s courts are being closed down in large numbers
From: https://goodf.forumotion.com/t3308-clarity-and-history-common-law-vs-statutes

Quite interesting, https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2014/600/made?view=plain
lots of mention of "person" however seems that a person after amendments is now a "debtor" (or "enforcement agent") many definitions including "a person, country, or organization that owes money", can't find anything specific in legislation.

Can anyone shed light on this?
What would be the best course of action against a liability order?

cheers

itheman wrote:Quite interesting, https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2014/600/made?view=plain
lots of mention of "person" however seems that a person after amendments is now a "debtor" (or "enforcement agent") many definitions including "a person, country, or organization that owes money", can't find anything specific in legislation.

Can anyone shed light on this?
What would be the best course of action against a liability order?

cheers

The definition of 'person' should be defined in the definitions section of this law.

if its not there is likely to be another law that is basically a legal dictionary for the laws in force at that time.

In my jurisdiction, the word 'person' includes, among others, the word "individual" but nowhere in the definitions section of the law or, in the dictionary law, is the word 'human' or 'human being' mentioned.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1983/2

look for F730

under 202 General provisions as to interpretation.

person” includes (without prejudice to the provisions of the M45Interpretation Act 1978) an association corporate or unincorporate;

the unincorporate is i think the birth cert', meaning it does not indicate or mean man or woman (not you)!

Thanks Ausk & LionsShare

i have found these definitions - which took no time to be fair, but indicate nothing to do with any [wo]man:
Unincorporate
(of a company or other organization) not formed into a legal corporation.
not included as part of a whole.
Oxford - take in or contain (something) as part of a whole; include, constitute (a company, city, or other organization) as a legal corpora.

Oxford legal,

An association that has no legal personality distinct from those of its members.
Examples of unincorporated bodies are " partnerships and clubs".

We need to reply to the mags and are thinking along the lines of:

https://www.judiciary.uk/about-the-judiciary/who-are-the-judiciary/judicial-roles/judges/chief-magistrate/

Emma Arbuthnot
Senior District Judge (Chief Magistrate)
181 Marylebone Road
London
NW1 5BR
DX 120551, Marylebone 9

With respect of Liability Order dated 24,08,2018

Occupant Executor Office

I am here in my proper capacity as the Occupant of the Executor Office of the ALL CAPS NAME VERONICA CHAPMAN Estate.

Feeling aggrieved by the lack of communication from the Birmingham Magistrates Court and their wrongdoing by not supplying further information about this order requested on the / / .

It is my wish to settle this matter.

i require from you, justification of this claim.

1. I require:
a, A copy of the sworn statement by the (Authorised Assistant to the) Justices' Clerk.
b, Proof of the debt, evidence that the claimant has paid out funds.
c, Accounts showing all payments hitherto made by the claimant.

2. I require that the Clerk who issued the summons provides me with their documentation to show they scrutinised the sworn statement provided by an employee of the claimant, in accordance with Justice Clerks Rules 2005 (S.I.2005 No.545).

3. I require that you cease further actions from any bailiff forthwith. Any persons who trespass will be discharged.

4. I require that you tell me how a liability order can be made against a [wo]man who is in full control of maintaining their property.

5. If all of the above requirements are not met within 14 days I demand this matter be dismissed.

SIGNED BY:

THE OCCUPANT EXECUTOR OFFICE


Veronica of the Chapman family

DATE:



This feels like going out on a limb, but something must be done to pull things back in-line with Lawfulness

And advise, pointers and questions most welcome

Together we're formidable, divided we're under corpus juris!

cheers daveiron,

i'm posting some of what i think are keywords